#0 · May 05, 2003, 15:00 · Adrian
This is a copy of a post from another topic, in which I have introduced a concept that I have been considering for quite some time. Actually it is more than a mere concept, as I am very confident that it would function as planned. It does of course require considerable planning, and hence this new topic for initial discussion purposes. Accordingly, all comments, contributions and ideas are most welcome.
Here is my original proposal:
I have been contemplating the concept of the "Astral locale" meeting place for quite some time, have researched it, and I am quite sure it could work very well indeed.
I don't want to go into too many details at this juncture, but it would work something like this.
We would find (perhaps with the help of people here) a first rate graphic artist to create an Astral locale as a detailed graphic which would be posted here in the forums under a project topic created for the purpose. We can all have a say in the construction and features. The Astral locale would anyway need to be very carefully thought out, and have a varied and interesting selection fo features such diverse features as meeting places and "doorways" to other realms, e.g. the realms of the Elements, as well as a portal for other parts of the Astral. Beyond that, we are quite literally only limited by the imagination, and the skills of the graphic artist.
The very creation of the locale itself will give it an initial Astral presence - everything created in the imagination is created in the Astral initially - but usually only transiently. The graphic would be posted here as the reference point for phasing - similar to the imagery of the Monroe tapes, except we would all us the same imagery - the Astral locale. Everyone can participate in this! Those that can phase already will be able to phase to the locale in the Astral and meet with others. Those that cannot yet phase will start with a sort of meditation, which will consist of a degree of relaxation, while keeping the image in mind while imagining travelling and being there. After mentally arriving the traveller would mentally walk around the locale, observe the features and meet and communicate with others. Soon enough, a simple mental presence will be achieved which might or might not be perceivable by the other participants. Over time however, with repeated practice, the mental presence will become stronger and stronger, and soon become a full Astral phased presence perceivable by all present at the locale at the time. As more and more people participate, the Astral locale will become more and more "solid" and permanent, and more and more energetic. This is how locales are created by the Astral residents themselves - repeated use of a created locale gives it permanency.
This will not only provide the possibility for a shared Astral experience, but at the same time provide those that cannot yet phase the focal point and motivation to succeed, and supported by everyone else. Experiences and notes can be compared here. The doorways and portals can then be used for onward exploration. I think this would provide a multitude of purposes, including but not limited to assisting people in the phasing process, providing a meeting place, and performing group activities such as retrievals and exploration. I would hope that it would be possible to attract the presence of permanent Astral residents - helpers, guides and many others. It could also be potentially used as a place for meeting deceased relatives, friends and loved ones, by incorporating the methods of Bruce Moen and his friends.
I would be interested to get some feedback on this idea.
With best regards,
Adrian.
#1 · May 05, 2003, 15:11 · Tom
#2 · May 05, 2003, 16:08 · themadness
Tom has a nice idea of photographing scenes. That would make it easier to do if you wanted an open-air or outdoor setting.
#3 · May 05, 2003, 16:36 · Adrian
Photographing an existing scene is an idea, but I am not sure how much that would "confuse" matters when it comes to the meditation and phasing process. An existing physical location will also exist in the "etheric" plane, which in fact is the same as the so called "real-time zone" which we are trying to avoid. The RTZ is neither the physical or Astral proper, although an extension of the Astral.
I believe that a custom designed locale would be better, because the participants can give the locale energy and presence, as well as designing it for our purposes. The only problem might arise if some "vistors" took it upon themselves to "alter" the locale, and in which case we would have to create a gateway accessible only by a Sigil, and which only members here would have access to.
As to what we are looking for - this is really what we need to discuss. It needs to be an interesting locale in my opinion with such peaceful features as nice pathways and flower beds, and possible with a fountain and other nice features, but also with specific simple meeting areas such as a circle of stones on the ground. Beyond that, we might have meeting places for communing with the deceased, and of course the portals to the realms of the elements, and other realms.
These are only my own initial ideas however - if this is to be a community project, which it is, then we need as much input as possible. The finished result needs to be attractive but not overly complex however - we must always keep in mind the primary objectives of creating a common Astral meeting place, while providing people of all abilities the opportunity of participating from day one, and to increase their presence through practice. An important aspect of this is that people who are in the early stages of phasing can participate with totally motivation of having an objective, and while being supported ny the advice and experiences of the other participants.
Learning phasing alone can be a lonely experience which requires considerable discipline and dedication - here people have the opportunity for real applying real motivation and which can produce tangible and measurable results as well as developing very valuable long term abilities.
With best regards,
Adrian.
#4 · May 06, 2003, 06:12 · Gandalf
Your idea is a stroke of genius, I don't see any reason why it wouldnt work, especially if we get a lot of people focused on it.
I think any picture shouldnt be too cluttered however, to make it easier to focus on.
BTW both phasers and traditional obers can use this technique. Phasers can study the picture and keep the locale in mind as they phase, while traditional obers can use the Robert Bruce technique of projecting into the picture, as described in Astral Dynamics. Put the picture on the wall. Once you have projected, move towards the picure, you will begin to move *into* it, hopefuly ending up in the correct locale.
Regards,
Douglas
#5 · May 06, 2003, 07:50 · Links Shadow
#6 · May 06, 2003, 08:00 · Fyrenze
I agree that it shouldn't be too complex. However, if we really want portals to all these realms and a fountain and such (all of which I agree on), perhaps there could be a simple central area which could be pictured by all. Those with more developed skills would be enough to make the more complex areas stable, and beginners would easily be able to picture this simple central chamber or what-have-you. Just a thought.
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#7 · May 06, 2003, 08:18 · Links Shadow
http://members.lycos.co.uk/linksshadow/ap/locale.html
#8 · May 06, 2003, 08:56 · Fyrenze
Just so you know, the black background is covering the black text, making it impossible to read.
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#9 · May 06, 2003, 10:08 · Gandalf
I have a link here to a part of my website with artwork detailing Tolkien's Middle-earth (ie the setting of 'The Lord of the Rings', the books - not the recent movies).I have the work of two of the most renowned Tolkien artists, John Howe and Alan Lee. The link is: http://www.douglas.eckhart.btinternet.co.uk/artwork.html
I'm not saying we should have a Middle-earth inspired locale, its just that these pictures are infused with a certain atmosphere and enchantment that may give some inspiration and further ideas!
Regards,
Douglas
#10 · May 06, 2003, 11:25 · Noxerus
#11 · May 06, 2003, 16:22 · Links Shadow
#12 · May 06, 2003, 16:52 · Greytraveller
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Amazing how many people picked up on the idea of portals or gates. That's what caught my attention as well. One suggestion is to either have large raised classic arches as gates or make them high-tech (like those found in 'Stargate'). [8D]
Perhaps some sort of large garden or Maze might work (for part of the location anyway). The idea of lush and exotic vegetation does sound quite appealing.
BTW several people at Astral Society tried this concept a while back. They created an Astral Temple though I don't know how well their experiment worked.
#13 · May 06, 2003, 16:58 · Tom
#14 · May 07, 2003, 04:35 · lucid dancer
I have a lot of portraits there, but it shows the reality of the work. I've been leaning towards doing more inspiring peices, so this should be great. I'm pondering different landscape ideas as I type. I'll get back to you guys later!
#15 · May 07, 2003, 11:28 · goingslow
I think the simpler the better for now. Even if its just a pond or something, but works will be great inspiration. Maybe as time goes on you can add more features. I dont know about the rest of the people here but even visualizing a detailed chair is very hard for me.
#16 · May 07, 2003, 18:10 · LJ57
#17 · May 07, 2003, 21:28 · Lucid Traveller
#18 · May 08, 2003, 05:39 · clandestino
Obviously we are missing this.....The closest thing we have is this bulletin board.
I suggest that any graphic showing the "astral locale" would have to include something/object that is unique to this bulletin board. This might act as a poor cousin to the emotional bond.
#19 · May 08, 2003, 13:02 · Adrian
Thanks to everyone who has contributed with comments, ideas, suggestions, and offers of artisic work so far. I would like to let the topic continue for a while in this creative mode to see what else transpires.
I would just like to comment on clandestino's comments regarding emotional links. I do not believe this is necessary for an Astrale locale. The Astral locale imagery is the common link, and its continued visualisation and use will provide it with energy that participants can become a part of. The more people participate, the more energy will surround the locale, and all who make use of it.
Thanks again - we really have something here, and I am delighted that we have so many artists in our midsts [
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With best regards,
Adrian.
#20 · May 09, 2003, 04:30 · lucid dancer
I think we should come up with more ideas about this place. We could list all of our ideas about comfort and desirable atmospheres. What we also need to focus on is objects or symbols that have to be there. So far I understand that there should be one or more doorways.
There must be other things that NEED to be there, right?
It might be cool to have a statue centerpeice. Something with character might be easy to focus on. It could have something catchy that is easy to visualize and everyone recognizes it (for example: a rubber ducky)...that example might be inapropriate, but you know what I mean.
#21 · May 09, 2003, 14:15 · goingslow
I've seen things like this get talked to death and then people never do it because there's no consensus of even where to start. One or two people drawing it then put it up fast, that way the idea doesn't just disappear.
Thats my opinion mostly based on my experience.
#22 · May 09, 2003, 16:46 · LJ57
#23 · May 09, 2003, 17:28 · lucid dancer
#24 · May 10, 2003, 07:22 · Serenity1
Being a Novice Pilot [:I]here I don't want to be presumptious but feel strongly toward getting involved in your project Adrian. So here goes.
I am not yet actively phasing as yet but definitely moving in that direction with the results of my exercises thus far with Wave1. (Some uncontrolled Phases).
I am very much interested in this project of the formation the Astral Local.
Agree with the one who says it can be talked out of existence by not doing just talking and debating [|)]- or something to that effect.
I was reading some of Franks posts on Energy Exchanges and the buildings (with their portals and the purposes they served) which he described in that locale (world) has stirred my curiosity. I've yet to read Bruce Moens' book (my first book to yet read on the Astral) Journey to the Unknown.
Reading the accounts on this and the afterlife forums of those courageous folk involved in retrievals has presented me which positive challenges, and others whose posts say they are involved in other??? work makes me wonder at the vastness of opportunities.
I am excited with what the future hold in store for me as I allow the expansion of my horizons and look forward to meeting many of you at this (currently incubating) Locale when it is birthed.[
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Portal Symbols (need) be universal language i.e. perhaps ancient Runes etc.
Portals - 12 (why? ) - Could be any number I gess, but to start somewhere12 seems to be very prominent number in the universal language.ie 12 months, 12 inches, 12 Zodiac, constellations etc etc....
As to the type of structure that has the portals
I'm open to have the suggestions I put forward challenged and disregarded but I am motivated by this interesting challenge to be a part of something that can be very powerful and creative. That is what brainstorming is all about - get the ideas out into
he open and build with that - brick by brick!!! Bad brick? Give it the flick!!.[^]
Next please?
Bring it on! Whos got the next brick? perhaps a better brick?LOL...or am I on the wrong planet altogether?
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#25 · May 13, 2003, 05:28 · clandestino
I reckon that we need to get something up and running here .... If the artists amongst us could possibly come up with a few different scenarios, then maybe we could choose our favourite and make it the "astral locale"??
regards,
Mark
#26 · May 13, 2003, 11:55 · Parmenion
A little idea here based on the thought that people often find it easier to realise what they don't like, rather than what they do.
Would it be possible for the artists among us to come up with several different scenarios as Clandestino suggested? Instead of picking a favourite though, having these preliminary designs would allow us to see what we definately don't like. We can eliminate what we don't see fitting, and combine elements of the designs that we do like to give us a blueprint for the perfect locale.
My own idea's for the locale can be summed up in two words ~ "Magnificantly simplistic"
Take care
Parmenion
#27 · May 14, 2003, 12:33 · goingslow
Personally I think having a fountain or even better a pond would be great. There's something about water, especially in the astral that is really interesting to me.
#28 · May 15, 2003, 11:34 · Ash
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#29 · May 15, 2003, 13:05 · Person
It incorporates three types of landmasses, like a pie graph. Imagine one third being ocean, one third plains, and one third mountainous. The ridge between the two lands merge softly, not sharply. At the very center are some small cliffs, 12 ft at most, and a waterfall cascades down into a small pool in the rocks. This pool drains out to the ocean. The pool is about the size of a regular inground pool, with ledges for sitting, etc. Plants and flowers wrap around the edges.
The area far from the pool really isnt important, it just gives a sense of depth. I guess I like the feeling of seclusion it gives, like a private meeting place near the ocean among friends instead of an empty open field.
Whatever we pick, a 3d computer image of it would be great. The computer isnt quite photo-realistic and not cartoony either. The main advantage over paintings would be the ability to have multiple perspectives of the place, to give it a sense of depth. We wouldnt need to actually see it in 3d, just have maybe 3 different angles.
Also, adding senses other than just sight might help. Like the sound of the waterfall or a certain smell of flowers.
That's my 2 cents
#30 · May 19, 2003, 16:16 · Adrian
Thanks very much to each and every one of you for your comments, observations and offers of contributions so far. I am considering everything in order that we can all discuss the best way forward soon.
For those that wish to participate, I would suggest that you might like to take some time to practice enhancing your imagination/visualisation abilities. High abilities in these are not at all vital to success in this project, because participation alone will provide ongoing practice, but imagination is one of the most powerful Spirtual forces, and well worth the time spent in enhancing your abilities in this area. Incidentally, imagination and visualisation are almost identical, with the latter usually, but not necessarily focussed on the visual aspect of the senses.
Thanks again everyone - this is looking extremely promising [
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With best regards,
Adrian.
#31 · May 21, 2003, 20:11 · LJ57
#32 · May 22, 2003, 03:43 · lucid dancer
one idea: A tall waterfountain structure as a centerpeice, the water flows into a pool, the water from the pool folds over the cliff into the ocean. People can sit in and around the pool. There's grass all around. ....
Alright, I was gonna go into detail with all of my ideas to give you something to look forward to, but it's not turning out right. I guess I should get on the drawings and get back to you. ...Then if we come upon a decision, I'll paint the final piece.
#33 · May 23, 2003, 09:58 · Greytraveller
#34 · May 23, 2003, 12:45 · Parmenion
Parmenion
#35 · May 23, 2003, 21:37 · goingslow
#36 · May 24, 2003, 00:47 · lucid dancer
a stone sidewalk leads up to a huge building. There are rose bushes (or any other kind of flower) hugging the edges of the sidewalk. The building holds a library and numerous doorways to other worlds. It has pillars, like a Roman style building. When you're standing on the stone sidewalk, you could explore the areas to the left or to the right. One area is very plain. It's all grass with a lot of stones set in a circular pattern, like stonehenge. On the other side is a water fountain, the water falls into the pool right beside it. They are so close, that it's almost one piece.
ok, so there are three areas to gather: a stonehenge, a building and a pool. If we choose something like this and it's drawn up, just use one of your favorite parts to focus on. Even though the place is full of stuff, you don't have to make it complicated. For example, you could just focus on the water fountain to get there.
#37 · May 24, 2003, 06:52 · Parmenion
Take care
Parmenion
#38 · May 26, 2003, 13:51 · Greytraveller
#39 · May 26, 2003, 20:15 · goingslow
Hmm i guess it would make more sense to second lucid dancers second idea?
#40 · May 29, 2003, 08:46 · Nick
#41 · May 30, 2003, 02:29 · lucid dancer
any elements you'd like to add or subtract?
I really don't know how many doors/portals it should have.
The drawing won't show them, being inside the building. They'll materialize through time, just like everything else.
Maybe Adrian can shed some light on that for us.
#42 · May 30, 2003, 18:22 · Greytraveller
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It is important to include at least one or two portals. Simply make them stylized open arches that symbolize passage to another place.
#43 · Jun 02, 2003, 03:38 · lucid dancer
I did draw up my plan of the Astral Locale, but I'm not good with this digital stuff. I don't have any programs available to deliver the image for now. I feel very bad about that.
I know that Lucid Traveller is a good artist, and he may help.
#44 · Jun 07, 2003, 08:10 · Tao
#45 · Jun 07, 2003, 11:54 · Stream
#46 · Jun 09, 2003, 08:14 · jacktheninja
#47 · Jun 09, 2003, 13:32 · Mirador
Mirador
#48 · Jun 09, 2003, 14:06 · jacktheninja
"what you talkin bout Mirador?"
#49 · Jun 10, 2003, 03:54 · stevewhite2000
I myself would be interested in helping out as I am quite proficient and particularly my brother (an IT uni student) at working with pictures and surroundings in 2D and 3D on the computer to generate or manipulate the design of the astral locale.....
#50 · Jun 10, 2003, 08:20 · jacktheninja
#51 · Jun 11, 2003, 10:03 · TruthSeeker
Sorry for my late participation in this matter, but I have had a small vacation up in the Norwegian mountains at my cabin.
Well, back to the subject to be discussed. I would really like to participate in this project. It is a great idea I have had for a long time, but just seemed to me like to big of a task to be done. Now that I see the response to the idea, I feel quite optimistic [
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The idea of this project is simple and is very much likely "do-able". Allthough there are some obstacles we must remember:
-How we are supposed to get there:
Phasing is one way, entering it through a visual picture(RB's way of "VRP"). One thing that we must remember is that the VRP is a pretty easy bethod as long as we "enter" the picture properly.
Bet this is a problem of those who visualize to get themselves there: It is very hard to vividly visualize a picture in its enirety. If you do get there by visualization it might be that you are the only one there, as your subconcious filled the "holes" left of your memory of the picture. Other times the visualiser might offcourse "get lucky" and enter the actual place. However this gives a lot of "if"s.
One way of trying to project there is by a symbol, a symbol that we create without allowing it to be influenced by other symbols. This makes a special thing to focus on, as well as it is easy to visualize. For the projector going there "VRP" the symbol must be clearly shown at the picture. This offcourse remains to be proven and tested, but it is an idea/theory at least.
When it comes to the location: Very experienced projectors say that it takes time(or a high quantity of will/"willers") before a "thought" is properly manifested "solidely" in the astral. There is one way of solving this problem that I can thing of. Those who are experienced here should "prepare" the location: Travelling there, creating, manifesting and making all the preparations for the less experienced to follow when the location is more or less "solid". As things start to manifest, others should join in and think of a picture that has been created of the location.
The "creators" can create whatever they like, no matter how much detail they "imprint". The thing that matters is that they are a ble to manifest it properly.
Just my early ideas about this project.
P.S We should do a little research about the hazards that might occur(like mentioned earlier). HOWEVER I believe there are no hazards, only hazards that are "created" by malicious projectors or projectors that does not know any better and imprints their unsecurity and fears upon others. Just an opinion that most surely can be wrong as I do not possess quite enough information on the subject.
Sicerely,
TruthSeeker
#52 · Jun 12, 2003, 12:21 · Pantalimon
Thanks to nick for pushing me in this direction and Adrian and the rest for being for having such a great idea and adding a lot of detail to the bones. Hopefully I might already have your Astral Local, in fact its been in operation almost a year now.
http://mysite.freeserve.com/LucidCrossroads/Lucidhomepage.htm
Portals, a circle like space, central water feature, own up who's been reading my mind!
The whole site will be overhawled within six months and many of the changes I'm going to make will be of direct benifit to AP/OBers. Also some of the points you've raised in this thread have second guesed the changes to be made to the site.
Have a look at the site and tell me what you'd want to see or have changed as there is still time before I crunch it all though a new generation of computer software that will make the place look far far beyond what it does now.
Cheers Pantalimon (Russell)
#53 · Jun 18, 2003, 12:48 · jacktheninja
#54 · Jun 18, 2003, 13:50 · Adrian
quote:I am not sure what your point is here, perhaps you could elaborate, but I would just like to respectfully say that I believe you are entirely mistaken.
Originally posted by Mirador
Adrian, I doubt you are more than a magician's apprentice playing with fire, to propose so innocently what has been done before (for thousands of years) with tragic results. I sincerely recommend my fellow 'Astrapulsers' to avoid this like the plague. This is very dangerous and is the doorway to psychic manipulation, unless of course you want to be a slave.
This is not something I have proposed on a whim, it is based upon much more than that I assure you, much more than that I will not say.
An Astral locale such as is being proposed here is no differnt to any other place in the Astral where people can meet.
With best regards,
Adrian.
#55 · Jun 18, 2003, 15:36 · TruthSeeker
Oh and Mirador: What tragic result is that?
A bit confused [|)]
Have a nice day,
TruthSeeker
#56 · Jun 19, 2003, 00:03 · Greytraveller
Don't know about the others on this board but I'm getting really tired of this doom and gloom crap. [
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Mirador you haven't got a clue what you're talking about. Really. You probably can't even project (or deliberately project on a regular basis). It's highly likey that even if you did choose to participate that you could Not project to a group astral locale. Consider this a (much needed) flame. [}:)]
To everybody else - sorry about that rant - I couldn't resist. I pretty much stopped visiting the Psychic Defense Forum because of all the 'I'm possessed by Demons"!! BS.
Anyway here are two useful suggestions.
1) The problems of poor visualizers and inexperienced projectors finding the locale can be addressed by emphasizing the central feature of that location. IMHO that's why a dramatic feature, like a pyramid, should be the central feature of the location.
2) Using the MicroSoft paint feature I will draw up a sketh map of the location and (hopefully) post that map for consideration. It's easier to discuss and debate actual pictures and maps after seeing them.
#57 · Jun 19, 2003, 05:57 · clandestino
quote:Mirador, if you provide some evidence to back up what you are saying, perhaps people will listen.
Adrian, I doubt you are more than a magician's apprentice playing with fire, to propose so innocently what has been done before (for thousands of years) with tragic results. I sincerely recommend my fellow 'Astrapulsers' to avoid this like the plague. This is very dangerous and is the doorway to psychic manipulation, unless of course you want to be a slave.
Otherwise, people won't bother.
#58 · Jun 19, 2003, 09:44 · Pantalimon
Did I check the invisible box when I posted?? I'm a proffessional artist who's created an Astral/lucid local already infact its been there a year. Whats more when I get time in the next 4 months I will be doing a major redesign and am looking for ideas!
*looks for the invisible check box somewhere?*
#59 · Jun 19, 2003, 09:48 · clandestino
they look great, and I reckon that we should use one. Anyone else, comments ?
#60 · Jun 19, 2003, 10:10 · goingslow
Some people are so taken by the negative aspects of the astral it seems every post is a reflection of that. Oh well if there's no need to elaborate apparently the caution wasn't really sincere.
#61 · Jun 19, 2003, 10:11 · Nick
I remember Pantalimon's nice website, and where he offered his artistic designs. That's a great idea!
Also, Greytraveler's suggestion of a central dramatic feature makes a lot of sense as well. Perhaps we can all agree on having a design that would incorporate a "temple" or "pyramid" for example, as a central point. Maybe Pantalimon and Greytraveler can connect up and share some artistic ideas re this?
Very best,
#62 · Jun 19, 2003, 16:56 · lucid dancer
I remember your site. I visited a long time ago, because I'm interested in lucidity. I don't know if you changed the locale since then. The one that I saw was like a living room setting in the middle of an orange desert. It had doors all around the living room, also with two blue people who were receptionists.
I like the place as it stands for dreaming, because people don't have to stay there long. The astral locale (if you are honest about changing a little) should be a little more earthy and natural. It should be a place were people would like to hang out there. It doesn't have to have receptionists.
Otherwise, I think it's a wonderful idea and thank you so much for offering your help. ....and doorways are still a good idea!
#63 · Jun 20, 2003, 18:51 · Mica
Just a thought, and one which hopefully will benefit the realisation of this brilliant idea.
Take care.
Mica
#64 · Jun 21, 2003, 15:42 · Amber
I think there was another project like this that had some success, it was an island created by a group of dreamers...if I do a little hunting around, perhaps I can find the details of it so that we can learn from their mistakes.
Amber
#65 · Jun 21, 2003, 15:50 · Amber
http://www.toltecdreaming.net/tdindex.htm
hope this will help our project come alive.
#66 · Jun 21, 2003, 16:09 · Lasher
It could be as simple as a standing stone with the letters "A.P." (Astral Pulse) carved into it. Blue, cloudless sky abvove. Green grass and gently rolling hills as far as the eye can see.
This way it is so simple that people should have little difficulty finding it.
All of the bells and whistles can be added later after it's proven that folks can find each other there.
Of course I have yet to have an OBE, so this is just a random suggestion.
Lasher
#67 · Jun 21, 2003, 16:29 · Frank
Yours,
Frank
#68 · Jun 22, 2003, 16:28 · Nick
That's a great idea! Using the Astral Pulse logo would be good. We see it everytime we're online here so it would be easy to visualize (especially the best part of the logo).
Very best,
#69 · Jun 23, 2003, 12:44 · Pantalimon
quote:I took a weekend to do the images of the space and it was designed as a space that had duel presence both in lucid dreams and on the astral plane. It hasn't changed much except for I put a dojo nearby as I wanted to practice my martial arts whilst lucid.
Originally posted by lucid dancer
Pantilimon,
I remember your site. I visited a long time ago, because I'm interested in lucidity. I don't know if you changed the locale since then. The one that I saw was like a living room setting in the middle of an orange desert. It had doors all around the living room, also with two blue people who were receptionists.
I like the place as it stands for dreaming, because people don't have to stay there long. The astral locale (if you are honest about changing a little) should be a little more earthy and natural. It should be a place were people would like to hang out there. It doesn't have to have receptionists.
Otherwise, I think it's a wonderful idea and thank you so much for offering your help. ....and doorways are still a good idea!
The revamp will take a while as I'm going to be really going to town on the quaility and scope of the place as well using a whole new batch of upto date software.
And yes you right it will still retain its odd but calm feel but be more natural in its surroundings. More elements will be specifically aimed at astral projectors, at mo there are the doors, mirror to leave your body into etheric projection, pool to do same. There will also be plenty to do when your there.
Anyway as I say its been there for a year now and if anyone has suggestions for the revamp mail me at the Lucid Crossroads. Impossible to please all but I'll try to take as much into account as I can.
If anyone does make another such place let me know and I'll place a specific doorway from the lucid crossroads visuals to the new area.
#70 · Jun 23, 2003, 21:22 · Paul_kcn
What about one of those big fluffy clouds..? I saw one with the sun directly under it today...making it kinda sun-setty, but bright on top..and I thought it would be a perfect place. Remember the carebears anyone...? If it were on top of the clouds...it would be so pretttyyyyy
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#71 · Jun 25, 2003, 06:10 · Tayesin
I like the concept of your suggestion for creating a locale. Although it is my experience that meeting places already exist at many 'levels'.
In my journeys I have found a number of them, more surprisingly though, is that we can access them by simply choosing to go there, even if we don't know the location in our logical mind. Our Soul knows them all anyway.
One that we all visit regularly, whether we are aware that we do or not, is one sometimes described as a Golden City. Within the park or gardens there, I have seen all forms of life from the cosmos and most are deep in conversation with other groups or their 'mentors'.
Another is one I describe as 'The High Ground', and exists as a most interesting place where many opportunities for advancement are offered. And these are only two of the places that have existed for all 'time'. So I see no reason why people cannot use what is already available for us.
Apart from that, I see that this project will work very well, as more people getting involved with it, will help in the creation of it's space in the realms. As a purely experimental concept, I think it is brilliant, and it shows the expansive consciousness is working well within us. So please count me in. [
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#72 · Jul 14, 2003, 22:04 · goingslow
A grassy knoll with a signpost AP? I think its a good idea to pick a point by now no matter how simple. Ill bring the astral chips and dip.
#73 · Jul 22, 2003, 03:12 · danuschka
Seems Goingslow was right.. lots of talk, no locale!!!...a grassy knoll is fine with me, in fact, Links Shadow posted a good photo of one, with a small stonehenge, (back on page one of this topic)..we need only add the archway/portal with a big AP carved into it and we could be meeting there tonight!!
Has anyone found out the reason for Mirador's warning of creating such a meeting place?
#74 · Jul 22, 2003, 10:41 · Mirador
Mirador
Wow, it's hot in here!!!
#75 · Jul 22, 2003, 15:52 · fredhedd
#76 · Jul 23, 2003, 06:19 · shadowatcher
#77 · Jul 23, 2003, 11:10 · darkangel13
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#78 · Jul 23, 2003, 15:07 · KiLeigh
#79 · Aug 01, 2003, 18:03 · fireprooflighter
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#80 · Aug 03, 2003, 04:53 · Tao
Mike
#81 · Aug 08, 2003, 01:12 · LA FORET MAUVE
#82 · Aug 08, 2003, 02:41 · LA FORET MAUVE
#83 · Aug 08, 2003, 04:25 · LA FORET MAUVE
As i can't control my projections yet, i would like to ask someone more experimented to print it (on paper or in the mind) and to go there to tell us if it is a viable place to chill and meet...althought i'm sure it's a good place, i felt it when doing the montage ! [
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Made me thinking about this book/movie "the beach"...keep the location of the island secret ! [
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#84 · Aug 08, 2003, 07:26 · danuschka
I love the AP island.. simple yet lovely.
The pyramid is powerful, the surroundings beautiful, peaceful.....
Small enough to deal with. Maybe needs a door/portal to satisfy others requirements.
Can we PLEASE have a vote and get started[sigh
Tonight would be good..yes?
Love,Danush
#85 · Aug 09, 2003, 01:59 · LA FORET MAUVE
If you look closely, there is a little...hmm don't know how to say that in english...like a little "bridge" for boats, it could be a "door"...but in my opinion the pyramid is a portal in itself, just visualise the simple form of the island and the pyramide and voila ! You're here [
] Or just print the image, put it on your wall and go through the image...
I did a lucid dream this night but couldn't maintain my attention for long time (tooo tired)...i bet i have some practice to do before even be able to go on Api [|)]
#86 · Aug 09, 2003, 08:13 · Adrian
quote:I really like your Astral Pulse Island [
Originally posted by LA FORET MAUVE
I would like to call this little island API (Astral Pulse Island)...
As i can't control my projections yet, i would like to ask someone more experimented to print it (on paper or in the mind) and to go there to tell us if it is a viable place to chill and meet...althought i'm sure it's a good place, i felt it when doing the montage ! [
Made me thinking about this book/movie "the beach"...keep the location of the island secret ! [
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The final locale needs to have a few more different features as well. We also need the portals to various other realms including the kingdoms of the elements. Such portals do not need to be doors as such, they could be trees or anything else which has been energised as a portal.
Thanks to everyone else for your graphics offers and suggestions as well.
I have been letting this one run for a time to see what ideas and suggestions came up, as well as offers for graphics etc..
I think we are reaching the point now where we need to start this project. The first thing we need is the graphic of the Astral locale upon which we have broad agreement.
If anyone else can post some graphics suggestion and preferably images we can start moving this project forwards.
Thank you everyone for your contrinutions so far!
With best regards,
Adrian.
#87 · Aug 09, 2003, 09:08 · LA FORET MAUVE
quote:Thank you ! I was thinking that we could do a lot inside the pyramide...there is a lot of place in it ! [
Originally posted by Adrian
The final locale needs to have a few more different features as well. We also need the portals to various other realms including the kingdoms of the elements. Such portals do not need to be doors as such, they could be trees or anything else which has been energised as a portal.
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But i think that it is better to start with a "virgin" locale, first we go there and meet, then we bring other elements...anyway i'm sure the local will look differents every time we'll go there !
#88 · Aug 09, 2003, 18:12 · Greytraveller
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If more portals are to be added to the island I suggest that several large arches be added along the shore and amoung the trees. Or perhaps both large mirrors and arches. [8D]
#89 · Aug 09, 2003, 19:28 · Links Shadow
Respectfully,
Link's Shadow
#90 · Aug 11, 2003, 12:14 · xgoz
#91 · Aug 11, 2003, 21:17 · randomlonely
we should definately start on this
#92 · Aug 13, 2003, 15:50 · bennypr2002
-Benny
#93 · Aug 14, 2003, 16:02 · Adrian
quote:This is one of the whole points of this project.
Originally posted by randomlonely
this is such a great idea, very very excited:) i jsut hope that i will be abel to learn to ap soon so i can go there...
It will provide those who are not expert at AP the focus and motivation to achieve it.
The process will work like this. The more people who visualise and focus energy on the locale, the more solid and real it will become in the Astral. This will take some time of course, depending on how many people participate and how frequently the locale is visited.
The objective is to make it totally solid of course so it remains ad-infinitum.
To start with, for those who cannot AP, it will start out as a sort of meditation where you will relax and focus all of your concentration on the locale, and imagine travelling and being there. To start with you would achieve a mental projection where you would be there, but not be perceiveble by others in an Astral body. I think this is the way it will have to be for everyone initially, because the locale needs to be created by visualisation and concentration. It would be possible to create it in the Astral, but that would not be the way to do it - we need as many different people as possible involved. Ideally everyone will perform this meditation once or twice each day, morning and nigh being the best. Soon, if all goes according to plan, people will be able to perceive others there, and what started out as a meditation and mental projection will turn into a full Astral projection.
This is actually phasing in every respect; focussing totally on an image with full concentration until your consciousness is projected there. This is the objective of all participants.
We need to finalise the design of the locale soon. I really do like API, so all we need to do is to add more details such as portals etc.. Having said that, the portals will need to be created in the Astral at the locale itself. But we can still have the doorways.
Personally I think we need a closer view of API as it stands so we can get much more detail on the beach around it, of the palm trees etc. We could also do with extending the beach to facilitate more details, although not too much detail. We need to be mindful of the fact that the locale needs to be an image which can ultimately be memorise for meditation and phasing. To start with however it will be perfectly alright to relax and simply concentrate totally on the image.
All other ideas welcome!
With best regards,
Adrian.
#94 · Aug 14, 2003, 18:26 · Makaveli
#95 · Aug 21, 2003, 16:23 · Adrian
I think we need to start moving towards the final concept for the Astral Locale. I personally really like Astral Pulse Island, with the caveat of the modifications I mentioned before; specifically we need a closer perspective where we can see much more detail on the shoreline, more detail of the palm trees and perhaps other details as well. These are all things we can discuss however.
LA FORET MAUVE: how are you fixed for enhancing Astral Pulse Island?
With best regards,
Adrian.
#96 · Aug 21, 2003, 22:20 · LA FORET MAUVE
quote:? What do you mean ??!(sorry for my poor english) [B)]
Originally posted by Adrian
LA FORET MAUVE: how are you fixed for enhancing Astral Pulse Island?
I think that to draw a map could be interesting but...anyway , the locale will be different for everypeople, everytime we make a visit...this is inevitable...i think it may gains more "solidity" if visited frequently and it's the only way in my opinion...
What i suggest is to simply meditate/visualise/enterwhenprojecting/whatever on the pic to GO there...and report to make the other members motivation to arise. As the picture is pretty simple it is easier to visualise than a whole thing with too much details...
I'll try to visualise it, promise...but i still can't project yet, so...[
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To the other members who can project (OMWCP[|)])...GO TO API NOW [
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#97 · Aug 21, 2003, 22:23 · LA FORET MAUVE
The more people will look at the pic, the more it will "solidify" in the human mind....is it possible to access the pic without having to browse this thread ? That would be great...or maybe just send it (API spam [
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The thing is that i don't know who took the original pic of the island...bah...
#98 · Aug 22, 2003, 10:31 · Tao
This project has been up for some time...
Why don`t the experienced APers test this things.. only the newbies seem to be interested
Adrian.. can you project ?
Anyway I`m a newbie too (2 years) (but can`t AP) so I`m interested too
Yours,
mike
#99 · Aug 22, 2003, 16:44 · bennypr2002
-Benny
#100 · Aug 22, 2003, 16:47 · Nick
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Very best,
#101 · Aug 22, 2003, 19:22 · LA FORET MAUVE
] Let's go !
#102 · Aug 22, 2003, 21:45 · Links Shadow
Respectfully,
Link's Shadow
#103 · Aug 22, 2003, 22:06 · LA FORET MAUVE
#104 · Aug 22, 2003, 23:31 · sstonevenuss
p.s. why didn't we think of this sooner? with a committed concious effort, I believe i will be seeing you all real soon!
#105 · Aug 24, 2003, 17:48 · Tao
Or sometimes when i try to AP.. i visualize it
Hope Nick will teach more about Astral Phasing and I`ll be able to go there and meet you all
I wonder what RB thinks of all this Astral Locale
Mike
#106 · Aug 25, 2003, 15:56 · Adrian
quote:I agree we need to make a start on this with as many people as possible. What I intend to do is to make a web page just for this API project with the final picture and the objectives, instructions etc..
Originally posted by LA FORET MAUVEquote:? What do you mean ??!(sorry for my poor english) [B)]
Originally posted by Adrian
LA FORET MAUVE: how are you fixed for enhancing Astral Pulse Island?
I think that to draw a map could be interesting but...anyway , the locale will be different for everypeople, everytime we make a visit...this is inevitable...i think it may gains more "solidity" if visited frequently and it's the only way in my opinion...
What i suggest is to simply meditate/visualise/enterwhenprojecting/whatever on the pic to GO there...and report to make the other members motivation to arise. As the picture is pretty simple it is easier to visualise than a whole thing with too much details...
I'll try to visualise it, promise...but i still can't project yet, so...[
To the other members who can project (OMWCP[|)])...GO TO API NOW [
Regarding my comments, I was suggesting we could do with a closer view so we can see more detail to focus on. As it is, people will try to add their own details which might conflict. Once the basic locale is in place, the portals can be added in the Astral.
Is it possible to do a closer view with more details?
Thanks for all your excellent work on this!
With best regards,
Adrian.
#107 · Aug 25, 2003, 21:33 · APGuy
#108 · Aug 25, 2003, 22:37 · shadowatcher
#109 · Aug 26, 2003, 00:54 · Birm
Yesterday i projected to the Astral Pulse Island. Island was quite bigger than i expected. I was flying over the sea and getting closer to the island every second. Finally when i arrived i landed on the shore and looked for someone on the island. But nobody was there...
I tried to go to the pyramid and i just couldnt find a way. Because the trees were blocking my way. I tried to fly over the trees but I couldnt land on the pyramid. It was boring and there was nothing more to do. So i projected somewhere else....
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#110 · Aug 27, 2003, 00:11 · LA FORET MAUVE
Why didn't you started to build the path to the pyramid for us ? [
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I am glad that someone at last could go there, even if it was boring to be alone ! The problem is that it will be difficult for us to be here in the same time (for example when you, europeans are sleeping, i am awake in Japan, etc. But it is worth the try, i think that there will be the "americans time", then the "europeans time", etc...[|)]
For the closier vew of the Island, i will see what i can do, but i think that others could attempt to draw maps or photoshoping...it is a team's work after all, our creation !
Good luck all...
Oh, just an idea: why not to write your name on the rootbark of a coconut tree when you visit the island...just a little experimental thing...
Adrian: I'm all for the web page ! Good idea !
#111 · Aug 27, 2003, 01:06 · Birm
quote:Well, actually i was wandering around... I just wanted to see how the island looks like... Next time i will try to chop the trees, i promise... [8D]
Why didn't you started to build the path to the pyramid for us ?
#112 · Aug 29, 2003, 10:52 · beavis
Is this the final picture? I like it. It would be very hard to mistake it for some other place. I set it as my computer background.
#113 · Aug 31, 2003, 04:15 · Lynfer
#114 · Sep 01, 2003, 16:17 · Adrian
Congratulations Birm on your trip to Astral Pulse Island!
I think it is time we started to finalise things and start to move things forward.
Once more people are focussed on API, and are visualising, meditating on the image etc., things will start to really move. Some people will have a purely mental presence to start with and progress to an Astral presence, while others will Astral project there straightway. It will soon all come together.
I think the best place to modify the locale is from the Astral, we can discuss it as we go along.
I will start to put a web page together when I get the time, and we can then decide on a launch date as it were. The sooner the better.
With best regards,
Adrian.
#115 · Sep 01, 2003, 16:19 · Adrian
quote:Robert is all for it [
Originally posted by Tao
I wonder what RB thinks of all this Astral Locale
Mike
] He says he will visit there himself soon.
With best regards,
Adrian.
#116 · Sep 01, 2003, 17:58 · Nick
Looking forward meeting others at API (and to the web page as well Adrian!)
Very best,
#117 · Sep 02, 2003, 00:24 · Birm
quote:Thanks Adrian,
Originally posted by Adrian
Congratulations Birm on your trip to Astral Pulse Island!
But i am curious about a few things.
I projected to the Astral Pulse Island a few times just to see if i can meet some others there. But i never had an experience on meeting with someone also projecting at the same time. So i dont know if it is going to work. Once i saw two people on the island. They were just standing there. They were doing nothing. They seemed like frozen to me. They were also looking like shadows. Everything around was perfectly clear and colorful but they were just gray. I tried to communicate with one of them. But they just didnt answer me.
I dont know if i am doing something wrong...
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#118 · Sep 02, 2003, 15:27 · Adrian
quote:Thank you very much indeed for describing your experiences.
Originally posted by Birmquote:Thanks Adrian,
Originally posted by Adrian
Congratulations Birm on your trip to Astral Pulse Island!
But i am curious about a few things.
I projected to the Astral Pulse Island a few times just to see if i can meet some others there. But i never had an experience on meeting with someone also projecting at the same time. So i dont know if it is going to work. Once i saw two people on the island. They were just standing there. They were doing nothing. They seemed like frozen to me. They were also looking like shadows. Everything around was perfectly clear and colorful but they were just gray. I tried to communicate with one of them. But they just didnt answer me.
I dont know if i am doing something wrong...
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No, I am sure you are doing nothing wrong at all. The project has not been officially launched, and not many people will be trying to get to the Astral locale, at least not on an oganised basis. The people you saw there were probably Astral Pulse members who were visualising the image, but there a mental presence, or semi-Astral presence. Once things get moving we will have both Astral and Mental levels of presence, with the people who start off with a Mental presence progressing to full Astral; which is one of the objectives.
I am just putting a web page together for the project as a basis for getting this project launched, at which point I will make an announcement to all members, and we wil have another topic in the forums for it.
It would be useful if you could tell everyone here what method you use to project as it seems very effective in getting to API.
Thanks again.
With best results,
Adrian.
#119 · Sep 02, 2003, 20:32 · Zonmezz
Note: I'm no expert in projection but I'm willing to bet those were newbies like me. Did you try to talk to them? Just say, "Hey! This is Brim!" or something like that. It'll freak us out but we'll *KNOW* we were there. Then we can post and you can confirm and then there's a confirmation and everyone's happy. That kind of thing is *exactly* what you guys want with this island isn't it?
Also, if you're dealing with someone like me, I'm probably not going to be able to see you or do anything anyways 'cause I can't see Astrally yet. The best I've ever been able to do is a regular blue light/fog of varying size. So, if I move there, being able to hear comments encouragement would be great! It would be best if messages to newbs were very specific though. So we can differentiate between the voices we hear "on the threshold" and... actual... useful... feedback... (MAJOR SARCASM inherent with that comment but that's personal).
Jason.
#120 · Sep 03, 2003, 02:20 · Birm
quote:Well, I actually start with meditating first. While breath meditation goes on i try to relax as i can. After a while i stop breath meditation and try to hear and see with my astral senses. At that point i may see various images and visions. If the visions are not clear enough to me. I start trying the triangle method in order to get to a higher level of conciousness. I try to look deeper to the visions next time. If the vision is clear enough i start to watch the visions. At that point i may loose my conciousness in the visions. (Sometimes i feel the seperation here, sometimes i dont) Then i realize that i am in a lucid dream at that point. (Focus 22) I start flying over an ocean. The ocean has deep blue colors. I look at the ocean while flying. Then i arrive at the Astral Pulse Island. I land on the sands first and walk around the island if i can meet someone.
It would be useful if you could tell everyone here what method you use to project as it seems very effective in getting to API.
Also i have to tell you that there is a small boat on the shore. But i didnt put it there. I can always find it anyway.
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#121 · Sep 03, 2003, 02:31 · Birm
quote:Well i tried to talk to them of course. But they just didnt answer. As Adrian said, I think they were people asleep or people trying to project. I read about this on Robert Bruce's articles too. But they were not at my conciousness level so we couldnt communicate.
Note: I'm no expert in projection but I'm willing to bet those were newbies like me. Did you try to talk to them? Just say, "Hey! This is Brim!" or something like that. It'll freak us out but we'll *KNOW* we were there. Then we can post and you can confirm and then there's a confirmation and everyone's happy. That kind of thing is *exactly* what you guys want with this island isn't it?
Anyway, I will try to wake you up when i see you there next time. [
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#122 · Sep 03, 2003, 08:29 · Novice
I haven't tried to visit the API yet. But regarding your experience with others there, I've had something similar happen to me. I actually saw someone I knew from waking life in some place in the astral (was 'blown' to this place by a wind of some sort -- very strange). Anyways everyone there was a light grey color, almost like cigarette smoke. I recognized her and went up to her. But she looked really 'dull', not as bright a grey as others around there. And she seemed dazed or 'out of it'.
She was conversing with someone in Spanish (she's hispanic). I said hello to her. She looked at me strangely, then she seemed to recognize me. I think she got a little 'brighter' when she made the connection. She said hello back, but quickly went 'dim' again and began talking to the other person with her.
My immediate thought was that she's dreaming and isn't conscious of what was going on. I told her the next day that I had a dream about her (she doesn't believe and/or undestand astral travel so I didn't use that word). I was hoping she'd make a connection, but she didn't say anything other than "what was it about?".
All of that to say, that either they were asleep or were not consciously aware of where they were and what they were doing.
#123 · Sep 03, 2003, 09:09 · LA FORET MAUVE
i never been to Api yet, but when creating the image, i couldn't help thinking about a little boat to make the connection with the little...i can't say it in english...you know the thing in wood at the right of the island...you see ?
Birm, can you describe the boat ? [:O]
#124 · Sep 03, 2003, 12:18 · LA FORET MAUVE
So, at the right of the island, there is a dock...i would not be surprised if many of us did unconsciously the link with a boat...
#125 · Sep 04, 2003, 00:46 · Birm
I am still laughing about the word "DOCK" [
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Well yes there is a small boat near the dock. But it is not tied to the dock. It stays on the sands. Only two people can fit in it. One on the back and one on the front. There is no boat in the picture though. I dont know who put it there...
Novice,
quote:This color was exactly what i was talking about.
light grey color, almost like cigarette smoke.
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#126 · Sep 04, 2003, 03:37 · LA FORET MAUVE
I checked the picture on my desktop and...
look very very closely at the right of the island...isn't it a little boat ?[:O]
#127 · Sep 04, 2003, 08:13 · Birm
This is amazing!
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#128 · Sep 04, 2003, 08:23 · Adrian
Thank you very much indeed for your feedback as a pioneering visitor [
] It looks as it API is taking shape nicely before we are really focussing on it.
We have alot planned for API as things progress, this is going to be quite something!
With best regards,
Adrian.
#129 · Sep 04, 2003, 21:47 · LA FORET MAUVE
quote:I think this is an important point ! You didn't knew there was a boat there but you saw it...Why ?
Originally posted by Birm
Oh my god, you are right!!! I never realized it as a boat when i was looking at the picture...
This is amazing!
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Maybe because someone else saw it and made it "alive" during visualisation.
Maybe because you noticed it without knowing it ?
Or...i don't know...any idea ?
#130 · Sep 04, 2003, 23:15 · Zonmezz
Jason.
#131 · Sep 05, 2003, 06:48 · Birm
quote:Greetings Adrian,
Originally posted by Adrian
Greetings Birm,
Thank you very much indeed for your feedback as a pioneering visitor [
We have alot planned for API as things progress, this is going to be quite something!
With best regards,
Adrian.
I should be the one that thanks you and Mr.Bruce for such a great site, valuable information and great discussion forums.
See you all on the API. [
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#132 · Sep 05, 2003, 08:06 · Adrian
quote:Thanks very much indeed for this explanation [
Originally posted by Birm
Well, I actually start with meditating first. While breath meditation goes on i try to relax as i can. After a while i stop breath meditation and try to hear and see with my astral senses. At that point i may see various images and visions. If the visions are not clear enough to me. I start trying the triangle method in order to get to a higher level of conciousness. I try to look deeper to the visions next time. If the vision is clear enough i start to watch the visions. At that point i may loose my conciousness in the visions. (Sometimes i feel the seperation here, sometimes i dont) Then i realize that i am in a lucid dream at that point. (Focus 22) I start flying over an ocean. The ocean has deep blue colors. I look at the ocean while flying. Then i arrive at the Astral Pulse Island. I land on the sands first and walk around the island if i can meet someone.
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I like this method very much, and is more or less inline with my suggested method on the web page. I wonder if, for the benefit of the future participants you could explain:
quote:Also, do you do this at any time of day, or upon waking early in the morning for example when the body is still very relaxed?
After a while i stop breath meditation and try to hear and see with my astral senses. At that point i may see various images and visions. If the visions are not clear enough to me. I start trying the triangle method in order to get to a higher level of conciousness.
Thanks again.
With best regards,
Adrian.
#133 · Sep 07, 2003, 21:56 · kifyre
I've been following this thread for ages. Count me in, and be on the lookout for me too.
All the best,
Mark
#134 · Sep 08, 2003, 01:05 · Birm
quote:Ok i will go in detail:
After a while i stop breath meditation and try to hear and see with my astral senses. At that point i may see various images and visions. If the visions are not clear enough to me. I start trying the triangle method in order to get to a higher level of conciousness.
As an engineer i always try to identify things, how they happen, the reasons behind them and their benefits.. I have been trying to identify my astral senses for a month and i think we can still feel these senses while we are wide awake. But in the astral these senses are far more stronger. Let me give an example: Now close your eyes and look behind your eyelids, dont try to imagine anything just watch! You started to see some images right? But they were very blurry, dark and unshaped. While i am doing breath meditation in order to relax my physical body. I also wait for these visions to become clearer. After a while they will become perfectly clear. Some times they can move into a rectangle. Just like wathcing them in a movie screen. These show me that i am achieving an altered state of conciousness.
The process is simple i think. The most important things are:
i never try to visualize anything,
i never try to have control over the visions,
i never try to feel my physical body.
quote:You can do it any time of the day. I wear a black bandage over my eyes in order to avoid daylight.
Also, do you do this at any time of day, or upon waking early in the morning for example when the body is still very relaxed?
Waking early in the morning has far more benefits i think but i can only do it on weekends. When i wake in the morning, i lay on my bed and i read for about 20 minutes in order to wake my conciousness. I dont eat anything. I dont do any physical activity. I just try to wake my conciousness. After then i lay down and start the breath meditation.
When doing in the morning i feel like i am trying to stay awake and keep my conciousness aware. While on the other hand when projecting from wide awake i am trying to fall asleep while keeping my conciousness aware.
Hope this was helpful,
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#135 · Sep 08, 2003, 07:03 · Adrian
Thank you very much indeed for clarifying your method. In fact, the method you are using is one which I rate extremely highly; no doubting its effectiveness. This is phasing in its absolute terms.
Achieving the "Astral screen" effect is crucial to success, after that it is a matter of entering the screen. This leads me to another couple of questions for the benefit of those following this method:
1) How do you "feel" for your Astral senses?
2) How many months of practice did it take you to achieve the Astral screen stage? I think many people see the hypnagogic imagery, but never reach the Astral stage from what I read in the forums.
3) Do you lose the feeling of your physical body completely during this process, or care you still aware of it while phasing?
Thanks again.
With best regards,
Adrian.
#136 · Sep 09, 2003, 02:12 · Birm
quote:Greetings Adrian,
Greetings Birm,
quote:Well I didnt know i was phasing, i thought i put it all together from what i read. So i am glad to hear that this method is known by other projectors. I think everyone can project using this method because it is easy and very effective. Especially for learning the astral senses i think.
Thank you very much indeed for clarifying your method. In fact, the method you are using is one which I rate extremely highly; no doubting its effectiveness. This is phasing in its absolute terms.
quote:Well i developed a technique named Triangle Method which you can find in the Astral conciousness forums. What i did was to examine the feelings and senses i am experiencing in the astral. I thought if i could get used to these feelings i would be able to travel through astral anytime i want. All i needed was to remember the senses and to concentrate on them.
Achieving the "Astral screen" effect is crucial to success, after that it is a matter of entering the screen. This leads me to another couple of questions for the benefit of those following this method:
1) How do you "feel" for your Astral senses?
So on experimenting the senses i realized a sound coming from my ears when i wake up in the morning. This sound seemed like it is always there. You can find the details on The Triangle Method topic. I experimented with the sound furhter. When i am in the astral i dont hear such sound. But on the other hand when i enter the seperation process i may hear it getting louder and louder. While it is getting louder it mixes with animal screams or human voices.
In Turkey there is a word when you hear a ringing sound in one of your ears saying "Someone is thinking about you." I wonder if this saying has any relations...
Astral senses are a lot different than physical senses so describing them is very hard. I mean i feel like i am trying to describe the seeing sensation to a blind person when i try to describe my astral senses.
There is a discussion on Astral Experiences forum i made with TheLunatic about this. You can find it. The topic is named "OOBE I just had! - Extended Discussion"...
quote:It took only one month actually. I first experienced the astral screen while i was experimenting with the BWGEN. I was trying the Deep Mind IV preset. That was an experimentation so i was trying to see what happens when i use Bwgen. So i was a passive observer. I was letting the images and visions come and go just as letting the thoughts come and go when meditating. I think the hypnagogic imagery is some sort of thinking but thinking with the imagery instead of words. Seeing the hypnagogic images happens in an altered state of mind. But if you want to project you will have to move into a deeper state of mind. I dont use Bwgen. I even uninstalled the program. But it really helps for the newbies i think.
2) How many months of practice did it take you to achieve the Astral screen stage? I think many people see the hypnagogic imagery, but never reach the Astral stage from what I read in the forums.
I also want to say that some people are reaching the astral stage but never realize they reached it. They think they are just seeing hypnogogic imagery. Because they dont know what they will feel or see when projecting. Also their expectations are always different than what they will encounter.
quote:In RTZ: I can feel my body. I can feel both my physical senses and astral senses at the same time...
3) Do you lose the feeling of your physical body completely during this process, or care you still aware of it while phasing?
In Astral Plane: I Completely loose the physical body feelings...
I had a lot of experiments on this. First of all i have to tell you that you will feel a body. But it is not your physical body. You will feel arms, legs, hands, toes... So you will feel you are still aware of your body. But YOU ARE NOT AWARE OF IT. At least in my experience... I came to this conclusion by trying to move my muscles while projecting. I was in the astral plane and i was in some sort of Lucid dream. There were people around, trees, things... I wondered if i could be able to move into RTZ from there. So as Mr. Bruce said i tried to feel my physical body at the same time. I tried to feel both of my bodies. But i couldnt feel my physical body. So i tried to raise my right hand. All the visions around me melted away and i was forcing my self to move my right hand i felt totally paralyzed. Within tree seconds i moved my right hand and opened my physical eyes at the same time. I was forced myself back into my physical body. My body was numb, i felt very tired and i wanted to sleep. I realized i was laying down on my bed that moment. I slowly started to forget about the scenery in the astral as i was focusing on the Real world.
Best Regards,
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#137 · Sep 09, 2003, 13:09 · Adrian
Thank you very much indeed for your further explanations!
Yes, the process you are using to Astral project is most definitely phasing, there is no doubts about that at all.
Andthank you once again for sharing your methods with everyone![
] For the benefit of those who are interested in Birm's "Triangle Method", the topic is here:
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=6762
I would highly recommend everyone reviews this topic, it contains much useful information.
One followup question I would like to ask is regarding the Astral senses you focus on to project. I know about focussing on the brow chakra, the third eye, but could you say more about the Astral hearing. I don't really have a CD player or whatever to try as you suggested. Is the Astral noise you rfer to like a fairly high pitched tone in your ears?
It makes tremendous sense to focus on the Astral body as well if possible. The Astral body can be sensed by relaxing, and extending the awareness a few millimetres out from the physical. The Astral body can be sensed as a sort of energy glow, not easy to describe, but unmistakable when you feel it. I know someone in fact who simply feels his Astral body and then simply stands up with it leaving the physical lying or sitting down. This is definitely well worth experimenting with. And thanks again Birm for sharing your work with us.
Just a couple more questions: when you get to the Astral screen stage, do you simply get sucked into the scene in the screen, or do you have to consciously project through it?
How often did you use BWGEN with Deep Mind IV before you saw the screen for the first time, and how often did you practice this process before succeeding?
Thanks again!
With best regards,
Adrian.
#138 · Sep 10, 2003, 00:58 · Birm
quote:Well First of all i have to tell you that when i am in the astral i dont hear such sound. But I hear it when i lie in my bed and try to sleep. It takes about 5 minutes for the sound to start ringing. And in the morning when i wake up i can hear it before i focus into the real world.
One followup question I would like to ask is regarding the Astral senses you focus on to project. I know about focussing on the brow chakra, the third eye, but could you say more about the Astral hearing. I don't really have a CD player or whatever to try as you suggested. Is the Astral noise you rfer to like a fairly high pitched tone in your ears?
Yes it is a fairly high pitched tone in my ears. In one of my experiments i realized that it gets louder when the vibrations come all over you. It is like you are standing on a railway and you hear a train is coming from miles away, you hear it, you wait for it, as the train gets closer the rails start to shake, you can feel the train is coming as its noise gets louder...
In my experience i think it is something like the hypnagogic images, so maybe we can call it "hypnagogic sound." Triangle method utilizes the hypnagogic sounds while phasing utilizes hypnagogic images. Here is a comparison of the two methods:
When you relax and wait for the hypnagogic images, they start to appear slowly, changing shape every moment.
When you relax and wait for the hypnagogic sound, the sound is hard to hear at first.
As you get deeper on your relaxation:
The hypnagogic images start to be meaningful to you, you start to identify the images.
The hypnagogic sound sorrounds you, you feel like you are in an other room than yours, but you can hear the physical sounds clearly so your mind confirms that you are still in your room, in your physical body.
As you get more deeper on your relaxation:
The hypnagogic images become visions, images become 3D, Scenery sorrounds you.
The hypnagogic sound becomes a part of the room you are in. You can hear a few words or sounds, but you can realize that you had heard these a few hours ago. I once heard my partner saying "We did a good work here." He told this 5 hours before and it was definitely his voice.
As you get deeper and deeper on your relaxation:
You start to loose your conciousness, it is hard to hold on and concentrate on your breathing at this point. Because you can hardly hear or feel your breathing...
The hypnagogic images move away from you, You are like in a cinema, looking at the movie screen... Hypnagogic visions are on the screen.
The hypnagogic sound is all that you can clearly hear. The physical sounds are coming from far away, Its like you are in another room and you put your ear on the wall to hear them. Just like the movie screen. You are in "somewhere you dont know" and you are hearing the physical sounds from a radio.
While entering the Astral Plane (Phasing Method):
You are sucked by the movie screen unconciously, Blackout may occur, you may loose your conciousness at this point, You may fall asleep as a reflex... If you had an intention you will find yourself there, if you didnt have an intention you will be in the void. You wont feel your physical body anymore...
While entering the Real Time Zone (Triangle Method):
The hypnagogic sounds get louder as the vibrations start all over your body, You start to hear a lot of noises, you can hear animal and/or human screams, you can hear people talking... Suddenly all the sounds and vibrations dissapear and you find yourself in your room.
quote:Well sometimes i do and sometimes i dont... In the Astral screen stage i dont do anything but i wait for a deeper state of conciousness. After a while two things may happen: If i had an intention to do something before i start i usually find myself there, otherwise i will find myself in the void where "nothing" sorrounds me. If i find myself in the void i conciously decide to project anywhere i want. But i have to tell you that i usually forget about the real world while i am in the void. So i may forget about my experiments and i may project to unexpected places.
Just a couple more questions: when you get to the Astral screen stage, do you simply get sucked into the scene in the screen, or do you have to consciously project through it?
quote:Actually it was on my second trial with bwgen, I was counting the sounds instead of counting my breathing. On my first trial i felt a swaying sensation over my body, and on my second trial i saw the Astral screen. I experimented with bwgen for a week and then i uninstalled it. Because i dont need it anymore.
How often did you use BWGEN with Deep Mind IV before you saw the screen for the first time, and how often did you practice this process before succeeding?
I learned to project in a month, every single day i worked on it, I spent three weekends at home trying to project. I read a lot, and i decided not to read so much. I decided not to use a method but to put it all together in order to learn the basics of it and discover a new method that suits me fine.
Last word: "If you want to do it, you will have to work hard."
With best regards,
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#139 · Sep 24, 2003, 05:53 · Gandalf
I get the 'cinema screen effect', or focus22, fairly regularly now. Luckily for me, I am a bit of a natural nowadays, in that I randomly wake up during the night in exactly the right frame of mind to bring on the effect. This occurs about twice a month or so. I then just concentrate on the images.
In answer to your query, I find that I can just lie back and observe these scenes, which are like 3d video except much more real, or I can try to enter the scene and enter the astral itself.
I find that in order to do this I have to will myself forwards. If I do this hard enough I will move quickly forward and enter the astral scene properly.
However, this is just my experience, others may find themselves 'sucked' towards it, but this has never been my experience.
Douglas
PS Next time I get the 'screen effect' I will try to cocus on the API. If I get a chance to walk/fly around the island I'll report back and let you know.
As I said before in another post, although its good to plan ahead and organise group visits, I think firstly we should just try to get as many people to visit it as possible, even on their own, as the more who visit it, the more solid it becomes.
btw well done Birm for making it first!
#140 · Sep 24, 2003, 08:43 · Birm
quote:Thank you Gandalf. I hope to see other people in API soon as possible.
btw well done Birm for making it first!
I started to feel a doubt about my visit because nobody else has visited there yet. So i put up two welcome signs on the sands. Whenever i go there again i find them. If anybody goes there please let me know about the signs. Read them and tell me what is written please. So i can be sure i am successful.
Btw pyramid has an entrance now but it is too dark inside... I didnt put the entrance there tough...
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#141 · Sep 24, 2003, 10:00 · Adrian
Thank you very much indeed for your feedback. API is being worked on, and in due course should have some excellent features [
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I am not too surprised you haven't seen anyone, not too many people know about it as yet, and those who do will be trying to visit at different times, and many of which will be by mental projection at this stage. In an Astral state is is often difficult to perceive the much finer density of the Mental body.
I would ask people to keep API in mind as often as possible and to try to travel there by Mental and Astral projection at every opportunity. In particular, as Gandalf has suggested, if you wake up a couple of hours or so before normal, instead of going straight to sleep again, try to go straight into phasing mode by holding the image of API in mind and visualising yourself travelling there.
We will have an official launch and organised times soon.
With best regards,
Adrian.
#142 · Sep 24, 2003, 11:36 · Nita
Adrian asked me to add some astral enhancements to the locale. He mentioned also that someone had been leaving signs around. I saw one that said this way to the pyramid. I also saw another one that said fish.
I added a doorway to the pyramid. I also added guides inside of the pyramid. They are depending upon what you want to see a egyptian female that looks like a tomb painting, an egyptian male that looks like a tomb painting. A representation of Anubis being the teacher about egyptian science and instructing everyone. I do have the mummy waundering around trying to wrap up his bandages and saying Hello to everyone who visits his tomb.
I had not read the comments on this subject for a while. I just told Adrian I had made enhancements. Torches will flare up once you get inside of the pyramid.
Nita
#143 · Sep 24, 2003, 18:50 · Euphoric Sunrise
I hadn't even heard of this until just now when i saw the new section for it (man, this place is growing and growing
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One question: will the island be just an astral representation of the boards? What i mean by that is, will there be a specific section on island for astral chat, a section for magic, a section for general metaphysics etc or is it just a general area for people to visit, explore and converse?
I don't mind either way, i'm just curious [
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#144 · Sep 25, 2003, 02:52 · Birm
quote:Hey this is great... This proves that the island EXISTS there...
He mentioned also that someone had been leaving signs around. I saw one that said this way to the pyramid. I also saw another one that said fish.
quote:I will take a look at the enhancements, and report back!
I added a doorway to the pyramid. I also added guides inside of the pyramid. They are depending upon what you want to see a egyptian female that looks like a tomb painting, an egyptian male that looks like a tomb painting. A representation of Anubis being the teacher about egyptian science and instructing everyone. I do have the mummy waundering around trying to wrap up his bandages and saying Hello to everyone who visits his tomb.
With Best Regards,
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#145 · Sep 25, 2003, 03:51 · Rob
Damn this sounds like an exciting project!!
#146 · Sep 25, 2003, 07:21 · Birm
quote:Yes, i still cant believe it, i wish Nita would find them without Adrian's request to look for them. But anyway this is a real proof for myself. I am highly motivated right now on this. Everybody has their own will to believe it. I believe it and thats what bothers me.
Brim - just to confirm - that what you left on the signs right (what Nita found)?! (hehe a nice little proof for astral projection"
I am very happy to prove i can project there to myself.
The sings were a little different but this is acceptable. I will go there myself to see how they look like... There must be the word "Welcome" there... And not fish but dock...
But reading is interpreting so i can accept it as true...
But i can be sure if Nita would tell us what were the signs made of...
Were they wood or metal?
I can pm anyone the correct answer before nita answers...
My Astral research goes on!!!
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#147 · Sep 25, 2003, 09:24 · Baguaguy
#148 · Sep 25, 2003, 11:10 · Baguaguy
#149 · Sep 25, 2003, 15:37 · Kazbadan
My idea it´s that we could create something similat to Tolkien world in the Silmarillion: the house of Valares, the gods. The island it should be like great plains, with very soft grass. At the center, the meeting point, it would exist 2 trees (this ideas are from Tolkien): one with light green foliage, with golden water falling from there, and other tree with dark foliage, but with a silver liquid. The trees would produce a nice light effect, much more beautiful and oniric than the effects produced by tree in spring. The liquids falling from the trees would creat a lake, very brightness and quiet.
The trees would have a great quantity of birds of thousands of colors singing in the branches and flying around. The plains, to one side, would have a tapestry of roses or any other kind of flowers (from this point on i´m inventing). To other side, in the horizon we wculd see a giant cascade falling from the clouds and producing a very beautiful fog-like effect with a rainbow crossing it. In one of the four directions we could creat a huge planet in the horizon (a saturn-like). The other direction could have a great forest and mountains. Later we could creat some "magic" things that would give some different beauty to the island, like putting (in a specific zone of the island) raining flowers in somewhere, or a beautiful sound coming from nowwhere..anything that you remember.
These are some ideas, but i don´tknow how to show you how i imagine them. I know very little about 3d computer work creation, but if someone here worls wth 3dstudio very well, maybe i could help him doing minor objects to the island (really minor! need to learn many things).
We could give the name Valinor to the island, like in Tolkien books.
I sugest you, Adrian, that you should put (in a later stage) some kind of votation about some aspects of the island. For example, people would vote (in the first votation) if the island in a general way would be green or sandy or rocky, etc and if it would have the format of a sea island or of a flying island, etc. After we decided that, we should decide any other aspect of the island, but not so general this time, and we would continue doing that until we have some good idea of what we would want. Them we would ask for the help of artists (how much, how better). The best picture would be voted.
What do you think about this ideas?
#150 · Sep 25, 2003, 15:59 · Adrian
Thank you very much for your suggestions.
The objective was to keep things fairly simple but easy to visualise. Anything too complex would defeat the object of creating a locale which most people can easily visualise and project to.
The pyramid will be the focal point of lots of activities and later gateways to different realms such as the realms of the kingdoms of the four elements. It is these gateways which will lead to many interesting and infinite places. Of course, once people have achieved Astral projection, there is no reason why anyone shouldn't go anywhere they wish in the Astral.
This is a long term project and I am sure it will evolve as time progresses.
With best regards,
Adrian.
#151 · Sep 25, 2003, 17:11 · Gandalf
I agree.
The current picture we have of the API is our starting point, and for better or worse is now the picture that is circulating around the board and being used (and I for one think its great, and not too complicated or cluttered!).
We MUST allow people to spend time getting used to it and projecting to it. Otherwise, I can tell you now, the whole thing will fail. The constant urge to tinker with the picture and constant modifications is the primary reason why other attempts of this nature have failed in the past. People were just getting used to visulisng the locale when someone altered the picture with more clutter. Later additions are indeed possible but these will occur at the Locale ITSELF, not on the picture!
So of course if you have a great idea for the locale thats fine, but this can be added to the locale itself, at least at this stage.
Regards,
Douglas
#152 · Sep 26, 2003, 00:39 · Birm
Last night i projected to the island and interesting things happened... Here are the details...
After having a bath i laid on my bed and tried the triangle method. Soon the images turned out into visions and become clearer, i started to float on an ocean, and soon i came up to the API. I was high in the air, looking at the island. I saw the signs on the shore and decided to examine them. The signs were as i created them and i decided to enter the pyramid in order to see the changes. I entered through the doorway and i saw torches on the left and right walls. The light from the torches were glowing. I felt like i am in the computer game Tomb Raider III. I thought that i may be creating the experience then. I looked around and saw two people there, one male and one female. I tried to talk to the female. I said "Do you know nita?" and she said "yes." I said "Where is she now?" and she said "She is not here". (Is Nita a woman? I dont know...)I said "Can you talk Turkish?" and she said "I am not supposed to do so." Then i thought it was strange because i knew that my mind was interpreting the messages so i would understand it in turkish too. But the woman said she would talk in english only. I thought that was strange. I got outside of the pyramid. The woman came outside. I was floating upwards and she said "Come down." I said "I cant control myself." She said "Try harder" Then i floated down on the sands. I asked her "What is your name?" and she said something like "stz". I said "Stazee???" She repeated her name again and i said "Stacy?" Then i thought it would be a strange name for an egyptian woman. Then i said "Never mind, I cant understand your name..." So i entered the pyramid again in order to talk to someone else because it was the first time i talked to someone this long. There was a door on the right and there was a tomb in it and a mummy was walking around the tomb. Then i looked for the other rooms in the pyramid but i felt strange because the rooms were changing shape. I felt like they were changing shape so i got outside. I doubted on my projection. I looked at the signs again and they were the same as before. Then i realized that the signs were always looking the same because i had created them. But the things in the pyramid were experimental to me. Then suddenly i remembered about my aunt. She passed away 4 days ago. I tried to find her and she appeared suddenly. I said "How are you?" and she said "I am fine, how about you?" It was definetly her voice and we were talking in turkish. I said "I am doing fine anyway, so you died and it all had ended. How lucky you are... " and she said "Take your time, you will come here for sure." Then i said "Aunt, can you help me on projecting to the API?" and she said "Yes, lets go there..." Then we appeared in the Island. I was on the shore and she started flying over the island. I was amazed because it was the first time i saw someone flying in the astral. I said "Aunt, you have learned to move in the astral so quickly." and she said "Now i belong here and there are a lot of helpers here." Then i told her about the pyramid. I said "The room is changing shape, why?" and she replied "You are interpreting the energy of the locale. Just like listening to someone. Your mind is interpreting the message so you are understanding it in turkish. And you are seeing everything on your own way here." i said "This is amazing. You mean seeing is just like listening." She replied "Yes, thats why some places feel like heaven for some people while it feels like hell for others. For a poor man a thousand dollars worth a million and for a rich man a thousand dollars worth a dollar." I said "What about the physical life we are living? Is it some sort of Astral plane?" She said "Yes but physical plane is a little different. We are being tested there." She started to fly again in the air. I said "Aunt, What is your name?" I was trying to figure out about the Dynamics of the Astral. I had asked the woman in the pyramid about her name but i couldnt understand her name. So i asked my aunt her name, because i knew her name. My Aunt said "Valer" or "Varel" I was shocked. This wasnt her name. I said "Why is your name different? Are you someone else? Are you sure you are my aunt?
" She said "We talk a different language here. And you are not qualified enough to understand it yet." Well everything was like in a dream but i was fully concious. So i asked her to talk in her own language. She said something like "bgkghbbhhvhhvhbh" Like someone is talking while her mouth is full of water. Then suddenly she said "Now go." I said "Why, i want to stay..." She said "You have to go now." I said "No i dont want to go. I want to explore more." She said "Go." I blacked out. I was in the void. Was that a dream? Did i projected to API? What about interpreting the island? I got confused. So until next time i will think about what i experienced.
Astral is hard to understand really. I feel like i am a stranger in a strange land.
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#153 · Sep 26, 2003, 01:19 · Cloud
I would say that was most definitely a projection and not a dream.
When you checked back to look at the API sign you made and found that it still reads the same thing confirms that it is a projection.In a dream , more likely than not you would find that the sign would not of read the same.
#154 · Sep 26, 2003, 06:47 · Gandalf
Great post.
Regarding the man and woman you saw on the island: I think they are both astral constructs put there by someone, either on purpose or without realising. didnt someone try to put helpers there?
Because they are thought forms created by someone, 'energy programs' if you like, they can vary in their intelligence according to how well they were constructed.
I believe this is why you had problems communicating with them, as they were probably created by an english speaking person and they were not really designed with enough freedom to 'think' outside of this. Also, seeing how they were just an experiment I don't imagine they would be very helpful or intuitive either!
Interesting that the pyramid looks a bit like 'tomb raider'. This doesnt suprise me as Tomb raider is a popular game and the person who constructed the interior used this as inspirition, (esp torches that flame up!).
It makes sense that the interior is still in flux as no-one has settled on any final looks as yet. However most people are content with the outside.. this is why it is quite solid.... IMO this all fits in with the reality of the locale at the present time.
Your encounter with your aunt is very interesting. The problem is trying to figure out what she *actually said* as opposed to what *your mind* thinks she actually said; as you say, there is an 'interpreter effect' that we should take account of when communicating. I think this becomes easier as we get more used to astral realms but for a relative beginner like most of us here, is difficult.
However, from other accounts I have read, a person on the astral can sometimes adopt a different name to the one they had in their last life on earth.
Regards,
Douglas
#155 · Sep 26, 2003, 07:24 · Adrian
quote:Yes you are absolutely correct.
Originally posted by Gandalf
Adrian_
I agree.
The current picture we have of the API is our starting point, and for better or worse is now the picture that is circulating around the board and being used (and I for one think its great, and not too complicated or cluttered!).
We MUST allow people to spend time getting used to it and projecting to it. Otherwise, I can tell you now, the whole thing will fail. The constant urge to tinker with the picture and constant modifications is the primary reason why other attempts of this nature have failed in the past. People were just getting used to visulisng the locale when someone altered the picture with more clutter. Later additions are indeed possible but these will occur at the Locale ITSELF, not on the picture!
So of course if you have a great idea for the locale thats fine, but this can be added to the locale itself, at least at this stage.
Regards,
Douglas
The image must remain static as a starting point for visualisation and projection. All of the modifications are taking place at the locale itself and will continue to be so. The pyramid has already been given an entrance and with various "helpers" and other creations within.
This will definitely develop as time progresses, and ultimately it is for each and every person to make the most of it.
With best regards,
Adrian.
#156 · Sep 26, 2003, 11:52 · Kazbadan
#157 · Sep 26, 2003, 14:48 · Gandalf
It all depends on your definition of 'dreams'. Most people dismiss their nightime adventures as 'just a dream'.
IMO 'dreams', 'lucid dreams' and 'astral experiences' are in fact all facets of the same thing... they are all astral experiences. The only difference between them is the level of *conscious awareness*.
The three main levels are:
Dream level: almost none, the individual is at the mercy of his/her subconscious astral creations/scenarios.
Lucid dream: higher awareness. Almost normal. The individual can take control of the immediate astral eviroment as generated by his/her subconscious and modify it at will. Another possibility is to dissipate the local suroundings and emerge in the astral proper.
Astral experience: awareness at waking level (normal) or even higher. The individual is in the astral proper... 'nuff said!
Douglas
#158 · Sep 26, 2003, 14:56 · Gandalf
An individual's awareness during a single session can waver between all three points during the course of the experience. Often people start at 'astral experience' level and drop down towards the end into 'dream' mode, where everything starts getting confused. In other cases the sequence might go the other way.
From reading Birm's account, I think he started off well but towards the end of the experience he dropped down to sub-lucid/dream level, which explains why his aunt started acting rather oddly towards the end; Bilm's mind would be tryng to see through the fog of confusion, trying to work out what was being said, which can lead to problems with interpretation.
I remember Frank always advised people to drop out of the expeience if they felt their awareness slip; they could then start again fresh later on.
Regards,
Douglas
#159 · Sep 26, 2003, 16:30 · Kazbadan
sorry about so many questions!! but i´m curious about everything
thanks
#160 · Sep 26, 2003, 18:05 · Gandalf
The difference between a conscious AP (whether into the astral or to the RT zone) and a 'near death experience' is the amount of energy involved.
You may want to refer to Robert Bruce's 'Astral Dynamics' for the lowdown on this but the jist is that during a near death experience the mind (and body) is mistaken into thinking that actual death has occured, therefor transfering huge amounts of (etheric) energy to the astral body. Of course, the individual has'nt died but gets to experience a hyper real obe, and a glimpse of what it is like when we leave our bodies behind for the last time.
In a conscious obe or phasing experience, where the individual is activly trying to bring on the experience, there is much less energy involved, hence many peoples interest in energy raising techniques (although some people have no problems with this area anyway).
To sum up, in a near death experience, the lucky individual gets to sample whats its like to be 'dead' in a physical sense, and the heightened sense of 'being alive' that goes with it. After experiencing this state, many people afterwards say that everyday physical awareness is like a half dead state in comparison. It makes you wonder just who is really 'dead'!
As for us trying to bring on such effects ourselves, the results are usually slightlty less striking but it is certainly possible with practice to achieve at least the same level of awareness as everyday life, if we practice enough.
Regards,
Douglas
#161 · Sep 27, 2003, 06:33 · LA FORET MAUVE
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Birm, nice experience ! But, that is just my opinion, i don't think that it was your aunt...hm just an intuition...[B)]
#162 · Sep 27, 2003, 10:42 · dino333
#163 · Sep 27, 2003, 10:49 · dino333
#164 · Sep 27, 2003, 17:18 · Euphoric Sunrise
#165 · Sep 27, 2003, 18:20 · Nita
I saw them as wood with wood poles. They were flat and white.
I know that people have to visit the inside for it to be more set. The experience depends upon the person. I did not make them to speak in english but so everyone could understand them.
I am a woman so the she isn't here was correct.
Nita
#166 · Sep 28, 2003, 06:02 · Birm
Yes the signs are made of wood. I am very pleased and amazed about this! WOW!
Here is the latest experience:
Sunday morning. I woke up at 10:25 and decided to go to API. I started to do the triangle method, after a while i started to float over the ocean and i ended up to API. I looked at the signs first and tried to read them. I read the "to Pyramid" sign and entered the pyramid. The room was very solid this time. It was very real. There were doorways on the left and right walls. There were carvings on the opposite wall of the main entrance. The carvings looked like the eqyptian pictographic writings. In front of the opposite wall a man was standing. And a woman was standing next to the entrance. I took a look at the room on the right and the mummy was there so i decided to take a look at the other room. As i enter the room i saw a blackboard on the wall and a teacher with eyeglasses was giving a lesson. I looked around and i saw desks and students. It was a classroom. I sat one of the desks and tried to listen to the teacher. He was teaching about farming. He mentioned a big river. He told things about floods. I tried to talk to the students but they said "hush, listen to the lesson." I got out of the classroom and talked to the woman standing next to the door. I asked her name again and she said "stazz" then i said "never mind," I got out and walked to the right side. I saw a gray frozen man. I tried to wake him. I talked to him. I said "You should go deeper!" But i couldnt help. So I turned around and went to the dock. I saw someone next to the boat and he was frozen and gray too. I tried to wake him too but didnt work. So it was looking so real that i decided to enjoy the experiment and i started to examine the trees on the shore. Suddenly i saw a little boy sitting next to a tree. I said "Hi" and he said "Hi there" I said "What is your name?" He said "Andrea" I was suprised to understand his name. I said "Where are you from?" He said "Australia" I said "Are you a projector?" He said "No." I said "Are you living in the physical world?" He said "I lived once." I said "Why are you looking like a boy?" He said "Because, I want to look like this."I said can you help me to explore the island?" He said "Ok, lets go." We went to the frozen man on the shore. I tried to wake him again and I asked the boy about it. He said "No there is nothing you can do about him." I said "Why?" He said "He is not focused enough. He is in a lower level of conciousness." I said "Which focus level am i in now?" He said "Focus 27." I said "27?
Does Astral Pulse Island exist on Focus 27??" He said "No this place exists in all the planes. You are currently on level 27." I said "Why are you calling it 27?" He said "I am not. You understand what i am saying as Focus 27." I said "So that means your senses are different than my senses." He said "Yes. Some animals see the physical world black and white you know. But humans see in colors." I said "So which level is these frozen people?" He said "The one here is Focus 3 and the one over there is Focus 10. He is moving towards Focus 12 time to time as i see." I said "So I am seeing this place as i want to???" He said "Yes, your mind interprets the energy located here." I said "So i may not understand the things i had never seen before." He said "Not exactly. You may see a monster, but it can be someone hurt. He may be spreading negative energy around." I said "What do you see when you look at me?" A religious conversation started here. I dont want to share these conversations as they are very personal... But the last thing he said was "All of the religions point the same thing. The religions are tools for you to reach your goal." I said "What is the goal then?" He said "I would tell you but you wouldnt interpret it correctly. And I am forbidden to tell that." At that time my phone started to ring so the session had ended.
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#167 · Sep 28, 2003, 06:48 · Rob
#168 · Sep 28, 2003, 07:01 · Euphoric Sunrise
#169 · Sep 28, 2003, 20:08 · jc84corvette
I would make a new topic telling that story and you can post follow ups there. It sounds really interesting, life and death, and astral planes.[
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#170 · Sep 29, 2003, 15:53 · Jeff_Mash
You can read it here:
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=7760
#171 · Sep 29, 2003, 16:07 · Adrian
Congratulations on another excellent experience [
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I am pleased you entered the pyramid. Nita had left some people there teaching things, it sounds as if there were some others Astral residents there as well. In fact, it sounds as if API could become a vacation place for Astral residents; that would be fun!
There seems to be people making it to the Island at a lower level of consciousness; if they are members here, it is only time before they level of consciousness matches API.
With best regards,
Adrian.
#172 · Sep 29, 2003, 17:41 · jc84corvette
Questions for Adrian and/or Birm:
How do we become residents of API? Do we have to die?
How did Nita put a teacher there? How was it done?
I plan on joining the Military, is there a way someone or me* I hope me* make a boot camp thing some place? That would be were I go 90% of the time.
#173 · Sep 29, 2003, 20:49 · ASunnieSpirit
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#174 · Sep 30, 2003, 00:11 · Birm
First of all I want to thank you for your kind comments about my experiences.
quote:Yes Jeff, I read your post and i have a few comments on it. Sometimes i end up on different islands or different places too. Whenever i realize that i am not on API, i start to float over the ocean again in order to find API. There are a lot of places to visit on the astral and API is just one of them.
Jeff wrote:
Brim....just wanted to thank you for posting your experiences with the API. I continue to find encouragement in your posts. I don't know if you read my attempt to reach the API, but I'm definitely getting closer. I think my astral navigation is a little off right now, because I ended up going to some pyramid in Peru!
quote:Yes Adrian there are other astral residents there. This was an unexpected thing for me. I never thought i would meet with a deceased person there. It was also a very educational experience. Our Astral Locale is becoming popular. [
Adrian wrote:
I am pleased you entered the pyramid. Nita had left some people there teaching things, it sounds as if there were some others Astral residents there as well. In fact, it sounds as if API could become a vacation place for Astral residents; that would be fun!
There seems to be people making it to the Island at a lower level of consciousness; if they are members here, it is only time before they level of consciousness matches API.
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jc84corvette, I prefer asking these kind of questions to the people i meet in the astral. Because they know better about the environment as they are belonging there. And We are just visitors...
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#175 · Sep 30, 2003, 02:36 · Tayesin
I went to the Island this afternoon, my time, AEST....Night for most of you Americans. And I was not sleeping at the time, I was just interested in going there to have a look.
Nice place you created, beautiful white sand and cool sea breezes. I was to the left of the little dock and wrote with a stick in the sand..'Tay was here', couldn't help myself, LOL.[
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Then I made my way to the little covered area, is that what is called a Cabanna ? Sitting in a circle in the shade was a group of people, I finally got to meet Adrian and Nita, which was nice. We all talked about the pyramid and how to bring it up to the way it was in it's pristine state with polished panels and internal workings etc.
After a while of sharing Loving energy I decided to go into the pyramid using it's original opening because I wanted to look at the four carved 'letters' under the Gable. I finally got to run my fingers over them, that was a highlight for me. Next I proceeded up the Grand Gallery to what is mis-named the King's Chamber and noticed that the stone trough (sarcophagus)was full of an energy and there was another door directly across from the Portcullis entrance, so I ventured up the steps to see what was in there. What I saw was magnificent and I do not wish to describe it so as to not 'suggest' anything for other visitors to see. But, it will really surprise you when you see it !!
I also discovered somethings on another part of the Island that sort of surprised me a little. One being just how many visitors are arriving there, and many are not members of this forum. Can't blame them though, it's got a nice feel about it already, just like any other holiday destination! I could swear there was something like a Bar there, with people enjoying the atmosphere. Maybe that was just my mind playing with itself, but it seemed very real at the time.
I carved something into one of the posts that hold up the roof of that little shady spot too, it is my sign. You'd think I was over doing that kind of stuff at this age. LOL.
Well that's my two cents worth again.
Love Always.
#176 · Sep 30, 2003, 07:32 · LA FORET MAUVE
aaargh when i think that i did the image but i will be the
last to arrive on Api !!! [xx(]
Ok ! This night will be the good ! [|)]
#177 · Sep 30, 2003, 10:23 · Nagual
It would be nice if people did not talk too much about what modifications they did to the island so that other people won't be influenced by that... It's a lot more interesting/amazing when people can tell what you did while you kept it secret. What do you think about that?
#178 · Sep 30, 2003, 11:41 · Gandalf
Hey!
Were Adrian and Nita actually there at this time, what do you two have to say about this one?
If not then we have a case of astral constructs again, this time of real people; that might make things interesting when those people in question actually DO visit the island!
Unless you actually WERE there Adrian?
Regards,
Douglas
PS good account Tayesin, thanks for sharing!
#179 · Sep 30, 2003, 13:29 · Jeff_Mash
quote:Yes, even if they don't consciously remember the experience, I would be curious to know what they may have been doing around that time. If they were sleeping, or thinking about the API, I could conceive that there may have been some interaction with them on a deeper, subconscious level.
Originally posted by Gandalf
Were Adrian and Nita actually there at this time, what do you two have to say about this one?
I say this because I've had many projections where I have had conversations with family members in my house when, in reality, they were not physically there.
#180 · Sep 30, 2003, 15:24 · jc84corvette
#181 · Sep 30, 2003, 16:43 · Hephaestus
#182 · Sep 30, 2003, 17:56 · jc84corvette
#183 · Sep 30, 2003, 18:37 · Tayesin
I agree it would be nice if Adrian and Nita had a memory of the visit, it would serve the purpose of providing a proof that the Island is indeed a 'real' place.
The group that was sitting under the shade of that roof structure appeared to me as indistinct, shadow-like, until I called out a specific greeting. At that point one person stood up and introduced himself as Adrian. He wore a long-sleeved shirt that was predominantly blue, I noticed that as we shook hands, although I do not recall seeing any other detail of him. I said something very specific to him, so it will be interesting to see if he does have a memory of it. He said, "And this is Nita", while pointing across to the other side of the group. I saw a woman with darkish hair, between five foot three and five foot five tall, approximately. It's a bit hard to guage the height as I was standing and she rose to say hello, although I am sure she was shorter than me, As far as most males go I am short, around five foot six.
What I did notice was that the structure was like something from Gilligan's Island! Complete with table and bench seating. Not sure if that is what is really there, it's just what i saw.
The reason I left my 'tag' on the beach sand and on one post of the little structure was to provide proofs for my experiment with travelling there. So if anyone else sees them and can describe which post and what the specific sign is that I carved on it, then we have proofs. It's my logical, scientific mind looking for the proofs, so please indulge me if you will, LOL.
After investigating the Pyramid I went to what you could call the back of the Island (from the view of looking at the picture provided on the site)and at some time during that I fell asleep, so anything that came after that may be nothing more than dream/fantasy, ie:- the thing that seemed to be a Bar with people enjoying the atmosphere.
I look forward to reading what others have to say on their adventures to this lovely Island.
Love Always.[
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P.S. I have just had an interesting thought. The next time I go I will take the form of a very specific Archetype, and choose a colour that would not normally be associated with it.n Then there will be no doubting if anyone sees it.[
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#184 · Sep 30, 2003, 19:08 · jc84corvette
I made a new topic called API Experiences. I am waiting for Adrain to sticky it if he approves of it. I hope to see your post there about your API travels. Perhaps you could copy and paste them into my topic via reply? That would get things going and set an example![^]
#185 · Sep 30, 2003, 23:09 · Nita
You are correct that I was on the island and yes there is a cabana like something from Gilligans Island. It is a modification that was made by me so I had somewhere to sit. I am about 5ft 5 inches tall and I do have dark hair.
Nita
#186 · Sep 30, 2003, 23:46 · bennypr2002
-Benny
#187 · Oct 01, 2003, 05:06 · Hephaestus
]. Anyway I ended up falling to sleep and dreaming about something or other. What happened this morning was great, I was basically in the dream and it was the usual where you dont realise you're in a dream and then I started to wake up from it and BAM! I was on my boat heading towards API and this time I was conscious of what was happening, I reached the dock and departed the boat and as I stepped onto the beach it wasnt really a beach, it was sort of part sand part grass and I thought to myself this aint right and imagined a golden beach and WAM! suddenly the beach changed to this golden beach, I remember thinking about what someone said about writing their name in the sand near the dock with a stick and was going to take a look but didnt because I wanted to get to the pyramid. I headed towards to Pyramid to see if I could look inside and as I got closer I suddenly appeared within the pyramid possibly near the entrance - before me was this great long stretch of corridor and on each side of the corridor were doors and doors and more doors - I headed down the corridor looking in each of the room but there wasn't really much in them to be honest or at least nothing I can remember, there were people in the corridor, some were ordinary folk but some were sort of like zombies, they wernt all there if you know what I mean as though they wernt aware of their surroundings - I didnt try and speak to them because I was too interested in exploring the pyramids rooms - I apprached what I think was the centre of the pyramid because at this point the corridor broke into a fork, a corridor to my north east and a corridor to my north west so to speak. I didnt go down them because I noticed a door on my left and a door on my right, I remeber they had signs on the doors, the one on my right was a CCTV camera room and a sign on the door either said out of order or no entry - but me being who I am, entered the room, I attempted to get the cctv to work and it came on I was trying to see what was on the screen but then I awoke in my bed, my mother had woken me up (even though im off work the week and wanna lay in!!).
Now personally even though it was very vivid and I was 'conscious' of the whole thing and thought of the Astral pulse etc etc I think it was likely just a lucid dream, from what has been said from those who have already been inside of the pyramid it is different from what I experienced ie. I never encountered a school etc.
But it was a great experience none the less. I hope one day to actually get there. [|)]
#188 · Oct 01, 2003, 09:15 · Tayesin
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Thank You Nita.
I do love what you did with the cabana, it really fits the atmosphere there. Do you remember anything else?
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#189 · Oct 02, 2003, 00:42 · Birm
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#190 · Oct 02, 2003, 10:13 · beavis
If you find a path from A to M to N to O and back to A, then next time you can go from A straight to O. If you didnt find your way back, you have to store the memories in chain, and any break in the chain can make you forget. This way you can build a network of connected energies that you can go to, which makes it more real.
#191 · Oct 02, 2003, 19:01 · jc84corvette
Birm, thanks for the tip. It will help me.
#192 · Oct 03, 2003, 22:37 · GhostRider
#193 · Oct 06, 2003, 05:30 · Birm
I had two seperate experiences in the last weekend.
On my first experience with API i was shocked! There were two islands! You could see one from the other. I thought i was in a wrong place so i blacked out conciously and tried to deepen my conciousness after then i travelled back. But there were two islands again!!! I landed on the first one. It was crowded. There was a group people sitting on the sands. And there were a lot of writings on the sands. I fly over the island and looked at the other one. It was the same island with the pyramid. I travelled to the second island, landed on the sands. It looked more solid to me. Everything was looking like the picture. I looked at the pyramid door. It was closed. I travelled to the first island again. I looked at the pyramid door and this one was open. So i decided to talk to someone. I stood next to a man and said "Hello", He said "Hi", then suddenly i found myself in my room. I was in Real time zone. This man was standing next to me in my room. I got confused. I talked with the man but i dont remember about the conversation now.
The second experience is as follows: I laid on my bed and started the triangle method. I had the intention to deepen the trance state as far as i could in order to get a better view. I had doubts about the last experience. After 15 minutes i started to hear voices. I concentrated on the voices i realized someone was talking to me. I started talking with the voice. We started to talk in turkish. I realized that i was translating the answers to english. The voice asked "Why are you repeating me?" I said i want to remember this conversation after the projection. The voice said "it is ok" I thought i might be talking to myself and i decided to travel to API. As i arrive i saw the two islands again. I said "I am doing something wrong!" I went to the first island and saw those people there again. I saw a cabin on the right side of the island. I travelled to the second island again and pyramid door was closed. And nobody was there. I went back to the first island. I looked for Andrea. (I met with him before on API.) I found him and asked "What happened here?" He said "This usually happens..." I said "What are you doing here." He said "My job is to wait here." I said "Are you waiting the island?" He said "Yes. I keep track of the changes." I said "There is an island over there." He said "Yes they made it a while ago." I said "It is crowded here" He said "This usually happens in the astral. Some places become popular time to time." I said "I have to go, i have got some work to do." He said "See you later." I got up to write the experience down.
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#194 · Oct 06, 2003, 11:04 · Van-Stolin
#195 · Oct 06, 2003, 11:11 · Nay
Congrats again!
Nay.
#196 · Oct 07, 2003, 00:51 · Birm
quote:Well on the first island my sight was never clear enough to identify the people or entities clearly. Only the cabin was solid. There were writings on the sands but they were unreadable. But on the new island everything was clear and real.
Brim, if you remember could you describe what the people looked like and if there were anybody there that didn't look human or astral entities?
I am just posting my observations. I dont want to comment on them.
quote:Hi Nay,
Wow! that is AWESOME, Birm! I tried last night..but fell asleep..lol Must go to bed a wee bit earlier I think. My visuals were pretty good but could be better, I am going to print out the picture of the Island so I may look at it thru out the day.
I fell asleep sometimes too. So trying in the morning is better. Or try when you came home after work before having dinner. Actually i looked at the picture a few times since it has been posted.
Best Regards,
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#197 · Oct 07, 2003, 11:14 · Novice
Went deeper into meditation. I began to visualize the island. I'm then flying over the ocean approaching it. I step onto the sand, its a white sand. I look around, but don't sense/see anyone else. I walk out onto the dock and look out over the ocean. I can barely see a reef under the water. I turn around and walk back onto the beach. I perceive a small, round hut type thing on the edge of the trees and beach. I don't sense any walls, but somehow I sense the roof. Its made of dried palm leaves.
I walk through the trees to the pyramid. I float up along the walls of the pyramid and the sides feel rough and rocky. I go up to the very top of the pyramid, and I sense the sides along the top are smoother. I also get the impression of hyroglyphs on this part. I can't see them well, but I sense a pretty blue color in them. I look down over the island, then glide down the side and back onto the ground.
I look around again and don't sense anyone. I then yell out "Is anyone there!" But I don't sense an answer. Then I yell "Novice is here". But again, I don't sense any response.
I look at the side of the pyrmaid I'm facing, but I don't see an entrance. I go towards my right and sense that there's an opening there. I walk inside and get the feeling that its dimly lit, not bright at all. I think there may have been steps leading slightly upwards, but I couldn't get a good 'read' on it. I didn't feel like I was getting anything clearly. I exit and walk back out onto the beach. I went back to the small hut type thing and made something under it. We'll see if anyone sees/senses it.
I then walked to the edge of the water and yelled out that I was leaving. But again, I didn't get any response.
#198 · Oct 08, 2003, 13:58 · veliki grizli
Does Astral pulse Island or Astral locale really exist temporarili exist in Astral?
#199 · Oct 08, 2003, 14:20 · Van-Stolin
#200 · Oct 08, 2003, 17:33 · Hephaestus
#201 · Oct 15, 2003, 10:59 · Skudgett
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i ve read every thing about astral projection and done all the research!
i just need a answer for one question to which i cannot find the answer for!
I am 15yrs old and im just wondering if it is dangerous for me to do it at this age! They say that astral projection is not dangerous and that there is no age limit but i just wanted to put my mind at rest1
If you can help me out by answering my question i would be very grateful!
#202 · Oct 15, 2003, 11:24 · Van-Stolin
#203 · Oct 15, 2003, 12:59 · kifyre
quote:Just make sure there're people you trust and can talk to in your life -- parents, teachers, a counselor, etc. You don't have to tell them what you're doing, but people like that can help you stay grounded and healthy while you're exploring yourself and beyond yourself. You might get more than you bargained for if you keep at it. But it's worth it, and lots of fun too.
Originally posted by Skudgett
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i ve read every thing about astral projection and done all the research!
i just need a answer for one question to which i cannot find the answer for!
I am 15yrs old and im just wondering if it is dangerous for me to do it at this age! They say that astral projection is not dangerous and that there is no age limit but i just wanted to put my mind at rest1
If you can help me out by answering my question i would be very grateful!
Mark
#204 · Oct 15, 2003, 13:09 · Skudgett
I just wanted to ask if anyone has any good tips about projecting?
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#205 · Oct 15, 2003, 13:35 · Van-Stolin
#206 · Oct 16, 2003, 11:39 · Skudgett
#207 · Oct 16, 2003, 11:41 · Hephaestus
quote:No its not true, I cant believe you were gullible enough to even have to ask the question.
Originally posted by Skudgett
Hi everyone i just got a concern because my form tutor today in school is a christian and he said that astral projection is bad as it isnt featured in the bible! is this true?
#208 · Oct 16, 2003, 11:45 · Skudgett
#209 · Oct 16, 2003, 12:10 · Van-Stolin
#210 · Oct 16, 2003, 12:23 · Skudgett
#211 · Oct 16, 2003, 13:00 · Jeff_Mash
quote:I'm sure your tutor would say the same thing about reincarnation and near death experiences. Well, check out this link to read all kinds of Biblical support for paranormal experiences:
Originally posted by Skudgett
Hi everyone i just got a concern because my form tutor today in school is a christian and he said that astral projection is bad as it isnt featured in the bible! is this true?
http://www.near-death.com/origen.html
#212 · Oct 16, 2003, 15:43 · Skudgett
I just was wondering what this would be classed under because it couldnt have been astral projection or OBE because i was looking at my self somewhere in the future not at the present time!
Please could some one help me out with this because i dont know what its classified as!
Thanks [|)]
#213 · Oct 16, 2003, 15:47 · Skudgett
]sorry for not relying eariler just that i ve only just seen your post!
#214 · Oct 18, 2003, 06:39 · Hephaestus
quote:Sometimes during an oobe/Astral projection it is possible for your consciousness to experience premenitions/witness possible future events or your astral self to even traverse time itself but it is also possible to have these occurences when in deep meditation (except the actually visiting the future part) - if you passed out your brainwaves may have altered to the state similar to that of someone in a deep trance allowing for your experience.
Originally posted by Skudgett
I just was wondering what this would be classed under because it couldnt have been astral projection or OBE because i was looking at my self somewhere in the future not at the present time!
[|)]
#215 · Oct 18, 2003, 06:52 · Skudgett
#216 · Oct 18, 2003, 07:21 · Hephaestus
quote:It doesnt really mean anything in regards to how is your best way to AP. Id strongly suggest you attempt all techniques available until you find one which best suits you and which you feel you are getting more from. Once you feel you've found your best technique continue trying from there.
Originally posted by Skudgett
[|)]Hi Hephaestus! thanks for your post! Does my experience which i had mean that i would have a greater chance of achieveing AP through deep trance more than any other techniques such as the ones where you have to imagine climbing a rope?
Personally the rope technique for me doesnt do anything whatsoever but there are many who managed to have their first ever AP by using that method.
My advice to you would be to experiment with as many different techniques as you can.
#217 · Oct 19, 2003, 07:04 · Novice
I only say this because I've seen some people post about getting frustrated after only a few days. You can't gauge something after that short a period of time.
Good luck.
#218 · Oct 19, 2003, 07:10 · Skudgett
#219 · Oct 20, 2003, 00:22 · bennypr2002
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#220 · Oct 20, 2003, 12:33 · Mustardseed
#221 · Oct 20, 2003, 21:52 · wisp
Later I'm flying, my hair is wet. I sighted the astral local below. I recognized the vivid color of the pyramid. I landed. Now I'm watching myself walk up to the pyramid. I was in my mental body (vivid skin tone), had sandles and a short white sandstone colored skirt or wrap. I wasn't able to see above my waist. Approaching the pyramid taking a couple steps upward is all I can remember. I was standing by one of the corners.
#222 · Nov 23, 2003, 18:44 · TheWanderer
#223 · Nov 24, 2003, 02:58 · veliki grizli
quote:In contrario!
Anything that you create with your imagination in the Astral is an illusion. Just like you can't create an island in RL, nor can you in the Astral. It only clouds your vision of what is really there, and clouds your true purpose -- to progress along the Spiritual Path. Visit mysticweb.org , and enroll in their free courses if you want to find out more of what I am talking about
This what you said is not true, everything what you create in astral is real, if creation is strong enough created thing there in astral remain. Like temple: Malkuth-- Quabalists have created this temple and it still remains there
#224 · Nov 24, 2003, 09:26 · Jeff_Mash
quote:If you can't create things in the astral, then how do you think astral things got to be there in the first place? In other words, if I astral project into a garden, then where did all the astral plants come from?
Originally posted by TheWanderer
Anything that you create with your imagination in the Astral is an illusion. Just like you can't create an island in RL, nor can you in the Astral. It only clouds your vision of what is really there, and clouds your true purpose -- to progress along the Spiritual Path. Visit mysticweb.org , and enroll in their free courses if you want to find out more of what I am talking about.
I agree with veliki. If you create something in the astral, it's every bit as "real" as you make it. In my opinion, there is no such thing as something with isn't real, because if it can be imagined, then it already has some sort of realness to it. As an example, the monster under the bed may not be "Real" to an adult, but it's certainly "real" to the child.
From my own experiences, I look at astral creations in this aspect. If I create, say, a chair with my mind, and then I sit on it, it's real. Does that mean that everyone else may see that chair? Well, if they are in the same room, then the answer is quite possible yes.
Now, if I told them to project to that chair from another location, they may not find it, because it is something I just created, with no connection to anything else.
Now take the Astral Pulse Island, for example. This is a place, concentrated on by HUNDREDS of people, fixating on it in their minds, imagining all the details of this island. As it is thought, so it is created. The more people who believe in it, the more "real" it becomes, and the more permanent it will last. This is how belief system terrorites are created (pearly gates, hell, etc).
This is all my opinion, so take it with a grain of salt. It's just what I've come to believe based on my experiences.
#225 · Nov 24, 2003, 10:53 · veliki grizli
#226 · Nov 30, 2003, 19:10 · sstonevenuss
bottom line is: the things people and places that exist in my everyday life all started out as a thought, as conciousness...
manifestation is as real as real gets.
It is the human experience to be God and still wonder if God exists!!!
#227 · Nov 30, 2003, 23:36 · Logic
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Can we make waterfalls please. I like waterfalls!!!
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http://a1259.g.akamai.net/f/1259/5586/1d/images.art.com/images/PRODUCTS/large/10048000/10048540.jpg
#228 · Dec 02, 2003, 02:49 · Makaveli
#229 · Dec 02, 2003, 03:57 · Euphoric Sunrise
quote:Actually it would be pretty cool to have a waterfall down one (or more) of the sides of the pyramid. Perhaps even down the entrance and it could split in two and fall either side of the doorway or something. Just a though [
Originally posted by Mustardseed
Can we make waterfalls please. I like waterfalls!!![8D]
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I'm surprised at how quiet API talk has gotten. A few weeks ago people were raving about it and now it hardly seems like anybody is talking about it at all. Do people still visit regularly?
#230 · Dec 02, 2003, 13:07 · Nagual
#231 · Dec 02, 2003, 14:21 · Logic
#232 · Dec 04, 2003, 17:22 · Hephaestus
When you project request your higher self to give you a map to get from your location to the AP Island - I have no idea what will happen but it may help. [
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#233 · Dec 04, 2003, 17:52 · veliki grizli
#234 · Dec 05, 2003, 07:29 · Hephaestus
quote:Yes the Astral Pulse Island has been created and is still being created, it has been visited by by many members here and 2 members have even come back with memories of meeting eachother there.
Originally posted by veliki grizli
Can you answer me , it tihi Astral ireland created yet or not
#235 · Dec 21, 2003, 18:51 · spiral
As soon as I can control my OBEs better that'll be one of my first stops.
How about putting out a call for some astral musicians and having an astral concert.[
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Maybe jim morrison if he's still hangin around the astral.. hmmm, or perhaps we could just manifest a band.
Either way, what an awesome incentive to astral travel.
Spiral
#236 · Jan 05, 2004, 11:00 · glowsoftly
I was with two of my guides, I didn't plan to go there, my guide took me there. We arrived at night and walked onto the beach. There was a wooden shack/building. It was sort of like a bar/cafe place. There was a sign above it which said Astral Pulse something? I didn't get the last word. There were about 20 or so people there. We sat down together then a younger goodlooking guy and an older guy came and sat down with us. We chatted about how beautiful it was there. I remember very clearly seeing this tribal guy dancing in the middle of the room...he had tatoos on his face..curves with dots around them. I asked who he was, the older guy said he always hung out there. He looked like he was straight out the jungle...really indigenous sort of person.
Anyone ever seen anything like this?...I'm still reading this thread, so sorry if this is a stupid question.
#237 · Jan 05, 2004, 11:17 · Jeff_Mash
quote:So in your estimation, would you say he was hung well? [
Originally posted by glowsoftly
I asked who he was, the older guy said he always hung out there.
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#238 · Jan 05, 2004, 11:35 · glowsoftly
You can go off people you know [
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#239 · Jan 06, 2004, 02:03 · math
Thanks
Math
#240 · Jan 06, 2004, 09:10 · Jeff_Mash
quote:Here you go: http://www.astralpulse.com/locale
Originally posted by math
Hi guys I just started reading this topic sounds great. Can someone point me in the right direction of the definitive picture for API? I think I read somewhere there was a web page devoted to it?
Thanks
Math
#241 · Jan 07, 2004, 01:41 · math
#242 · Jan 09, 2004, 11:23 · Makaveli
I still was thinking I was in the physical because of how real it was and I started slowly floating across the bed which startled me and it ended. I'm not sure if this was an LD or someone trying to take me to API or maybe some other place but it was the first time in a while that I didn't panic and screw up a AP or LD when it came on. Edit: I just realized that I may have been pulled out by someone because I started sliding across the bed after hearing the voice and having my hands grabbed.
#243 · Jan 13, 2004, 09:04 · Ultraveil
#244 · Jan 15, 2004, 14:19 · quetzalcoatl
#245 · Jan 24, 2004, 15:13 · Windameir
Great story [
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Its quite possable that a helper, permanant resident of the Non Physical environment, or Part of your higherself what I would call a guide was trying to help you get out of your body. Have you been thinking about visiting the Island a lot?. Its sounds like you were so close but just got a little excited.
I have read so many accounts that have this same type of experience described. Sounds like your doing great! good luck and remember there is nothing to be afraid of, If for some reason you get scared just project the feeling of love at whatever is scaring you and that should take care of it.
#246 · Jan 26, 2004, 20:04 · Blackstream
I'm curious about something though. I can understand the idea of the island existing because of all the hundreds of people focusing on the island. However, there is a problem with leaving a mark on the island and that's that there is only person thinking on that object. Wouldn't that make leaving and verifying signs left on the island rather difficult? If 100s of people are needed to solidify the island, then you might need quite a few people to solidify signs too? Just wondering. Or do signs get a sort of extra permenence because they exist in the same realm?
#247 · Feb 07, 2004, 13:38 · Hephaestus
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#248 · Apr 07, 2004, 10:14 · Eol007
Thought it time to introduce myself and wish you all well. I am one of those slack people who has been lurking the site since off an on for about 5 odd years now, but have put a few posts in of late. You certainly have built a great place here and wonderful rapport with each other. I for one have not consciously projected for some time as I had been working on other aspects of development, but was lucky enough to attend the Buckland Hall workshop last year!
I have been quite a number of semi-lucid dreams of late with only some minor control, but had remembered what I thought just to be a silly one within the last week or so.
I found myself at a beach bar which had a big Astral Pulse sign. There seemed to be other people there. They all looked like they were well pleased to be there (a few grins had)! Can't remember much more than that sorry to say! So on awaking I had let the memory go, because I had thought that perhaps I was overdoing my interest in the AP site generally. Let me know if am on the wrong track on this one or not? Either way it's a good lesson to learn from. Perhaps catch you there sometime (if I can remember that is).
Wishing you all well the project!
Cheers for now,
Stephen
#249 · Apr 10, 2004, 13:13 · hannerl
practice as often as possible.
quote:
Originally posted by Adrian
Greetings everyone,
This is a copy of a post from another topic, in which I have introduced a concept that I have been considering for quite some time. Actually it is more than a mere concept, as I am very confident that it would function as planned. It does of course require considerable planning, and hence this new topic for initial discussion purposes. Accordingly, all comments, contributions and ideas are most welcome.
Here is my original proposal:
I have been contemplating the concept of the "Astral locale" meeting place for quite some time, have researched it, and I am quite sure it could work very well indeed.
I don't want to go into too many details at this juncture, but it would work something like this.
We would find (perhaps with the help of people here) a first rate graphic artist to create an Astral locale as a detailed graphic which would be posted here in the forums under a project topic created for the purpose. We can all have a say in the construction and features. The Astral locale would anyway need to be very carefully thought out, and have a varied and interesting selection fo features such diverse features as meeting places and "doorways" to other realms, e.g. the realms of the Elements, as well as a portal for other parts of the Astral. Beyond that, we are quite literally only limited by the imagination, and the skills of the graphic artist.
The very creation of the locale itself will give it an initial Astral presence - everything created in the imagination is created in the Astral initially - but usually only transiently. The graphic would be posted here as the reference point for phasing - similar to the imagery of the Monroe tapes, except we would all us the same imagery - the Astral locale. Everyone can participate in this! Those that can phase already will be able to phase to the locale in the Astral and meet with others. Those that cannot yet phase will start with a sort of meditation, which will consist of a degree of relaxation, while keeping the image in mind while imagining travelling and being there. After mentally arriving the traveller would mentally walk around the locale, observe the features and meet and communicate with others. Soon enough, a simple mental presence will be achieved which might or might not be perceivable by the other participants. Over time however, with repeated practice, the mental presence will become stronger and stronger, and soon become a full Astral phased presence perceivable by all present at the locale at the time. As more and more people participate, the Astral locale will become more and more "solid" and permanent, and more and more energetic. This is how locales are created by the Astral residents themselves - repeated use of a created locale gives it permanency.
This will not only provide the possibility for a shared Astral experience, but at the same time provide those that cannot yet phase the focal point and motivation to succeed, and supported by everyone else. Experiences and notes can be compared here. The doorways and portals can then be used for onward exploration. I think this would provide a multitude of purposes, including but not limited to assisting people in the phasing process, providing a meeting place, and performing group activities such as retrievals and exploration. I would hope that it would be possible to attract the presence of permanent Astral residents - helpers, guides and many others. It could also be potentially used as a place for meeting deceased relatives, friends and loved ones, by incorporating the methods of Bruce Moen and his friends.
I would be interested to get some feedback on this idea.
With best regards,
Adrian.
#250 · Apr 11, 2004, 10:38 · Major Tom
I wasn' able to exit, since the energy I use to project was too low, but I did get soem snapshots of the island through phasing.
I was on ground level looking from the sea. Too low to see the pyramid. I had the impression I was looking at a very quiet section of th island. Atleast, there was noone on the beach nor any structures. The only thing that stood out was a sandbank around 40 feet from the shore in the sea. Like a a little island around 20 feet in diameter. Would be nice to hear if someone else has seen it too.
MajorTom
#251 · Apr 24, 2004, 08:25 · thelou
I am new here and have learned allot reading all of the different posts.
Would all the people that were posting about API last year please come back? This has been great motivation for so many people. Will you please start sharing your experiences with us again?
Thelou
#252 · Apr 26, 2004, 12:17 · mactombs
I am also interesting in visiting API as soon as I am capable, and until that time, will continue to imagine it during meditations. I don't know whether anything like this is real or not, but it's certainly worth the effort.
I'd also like to ask about the island bar. Before I ever visited this website, I had a lucid dream that I was on a tropical island, and I was sitting at a table. It was an outside bar area, and I watched the bartender mix drinks (I also tasted them, and they tasted wonderful). Anyway, the bartender was dressed in a Kool-Aid pitcher suit, but when she took it off, she was a young woman, dark hair. Any likeness here, or just another dream?
Also, for the further dispursion of the API image, what about creating desktop themes? I know it's not too difficult to do, and there are plenty of desktops to theme (Mac, Windows, Linux [which includes Gnome, KDE, Window Maker, etc.]). I prefer Window Maker, and will be making a theme at least for personal use.
Anyway, hello to everyone and good fortune!
#253 · May 27, 2004, 12:09 · TradeMAAK
1) Make that beautiful island my wallpaper.
2) Think about most of the time, so maybe I see it in a dream.
3) Read that AP manual by Bruce.
Yeah, well, wait me there! I am really a noobie, so maybe someone could give me a hand with those AP (help me get more into it, leave my body, you know [
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#254 · Jun 28, 2004, 15:34 · Woopaching
Curiously,
Keith
#255 · Jul 15, 2004, 14:03 · izanagi
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anyways, i was first having a normal average dream and then i kinda wake out of it, and into sleep paralysis. then i decide to breath deeply and after a few seconds i rose out of my body, i also had a little trouble getting out but that's because im still very new to this. anyways, when i got out i was in this weird building.. i don't remember it 100% but i do remember that there were guards and it had the company's name on almost any wall. but it was so weird there i don't think it actually existed, maybe just my imagination actually this is why im not sure if it was real. then after i got extremely bored of the place i thought of leaving and tried to go to anywhere but there. next thing i saw was me flying to API. when i got there, i didn't see the front door so i decided to walk around. and i met these two people sun tanning or relaxing or something. anyways i politely said hello and they replied but then i said i needed to find the entrance of the pyramid and walked away. funny thing is, behind the entrance on the other side of the island things looked like they were made out of putty or clay, and it was messed up. at that moment i wasn't sure weather is was a dream or not. anyways, i decided to walk some more towards the entrance and i got there. i knew why i missed it and that's because there was a big line of trees covering it outside the pyramid. when i got inside it was a little creepy, there was a mummy statue with chains wrapped all over his body, and it seemed to be alive. also there was a lady in there, who i asked how long i could stay in the pyramid and she said just about 5 minutes so decided to look inside the rooms. i only got through about 3 i think(cant remember well what's in them). and then i woke up or returned to my body, and when i got up out of bed i felt a little weird, like minor vibrations.
reasons why i think it may have been a dream is because the island and pyramid didnt seem real at all. infact lots of things felt out of place like the clay in te back, and even some of the people i talked to didn't seem very real... but there are other reasons that point to that it was an obe, so im confused [B)]
well, that's most of it, and im still not sure if it was a dream or not, if anyone who's been to the island can tell me that i was wrong about the island, or if i matched the description, it would be most helpful. also, if anyone could tell me why or why not it was an OBE then that would be great too![
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#256 · Jul 26, 2004, 17:04 · James Davis
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#257 · Sep 24, 2004, 23:00 · Cheyyne
My proposal is this. I can immediately begin work (as in, tomorrow) on the astral locale as a 3-d walkthrough game. If all you artists out there help me with the textures and skins, I can go that much faster. If not, I can always use the .wad files from counter-strike [
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Making a game of mostly movement will be a simple task at worst. I'm a somewhat advanced 3-d artist in Milkshape3D, and Valve Hammer, both of which can be incorporated by DirectX for both levels and entities. The idea is that a "game" can give a much better impression of an area than pictures ever could, and the best part is that your brain fills in the details! I'm sure that since the graphics you see on the screen go through your imagination and subconscious before the thought waves reach the astral location, the actual location won't look polygonal and blocky at all, and most members here who don't have top of the line computers won't have to worry about having computers good enough to run things like vertex shading and such.
The inherent problem I've seen time and time again is that people think they're getting to the island, without actually doing it. It's a problem I thought of as soon as I saw the concept of the island. I have several proposals for ways to get around it (which I also posted in a sister post in the General Metaphysics forum).
Firstly, a beacon of some sort to guide wayward projectors TO the island. Since the subconscious can make up the locale itself, I'm sure it could also (accidentally?) imitate a beacon to the place. Thus, the beacon would have to be rooted to the real world. So what sort of real-world objects do we have that interact with the astral? Why, crystals, of course!
Several (or many!) similarly attuned crystals could be used to guide wayfarers to the island. The obvious choice (should anyone decide to support me in this venture) would be to have me attune the crystals and somehow distribute them to the Astral Pulse members. Concerns of cost aside, I'm sure people don't want to post addresses to the forum, so a trustworthy 3rd party (perhaps a moderator like Adrian or Nick) could maintain the list via PM. In this manner, a person could receive a crystal from the member who just had it, attune their own crystals to that one (or just go for a one-time joyride) and then send it on to the next. That way, the person who received the crystal only gets the address of the person they are to send it to next. I don't think of the people on this forum, generally, as being untrustworthy, but the reason I'd only like to send a few out is that if someone turns out to be a jerk, it's not an enormous investment lost. I don't mind giving something from my own wallet to support a venture such as this. Anyway, it's just one suggestion.
The other suggestion would be hypnotism! Since your mind has the capacity to create a "shadow" version of the API, it's definitely got to have the ability also to transport you there. If a member of the forums skilled in hypnotism (perhaps the user, "Hypnotist"?) could create an audio track of some sort and make it available for download, it would give everyone a relatively pain-free way of increasing their chances of success. By being very specific about the locale in the hypnotism, I'm SURE it would be possible to ensure your phasing goes according to plan!
So let me know what you think! I think the thought form of a game would be much different than that of a picture. You're not just appreciating art, you're interacting, a step closer to the environment and I bet that would translate into stronger materialization on the astral. This is my way of trying to get involved in this project. If I skipped over something and we already have an astral locale that people can reliably get to, I'm sorry, I can edit the post or whatever. But I think the things I have mentioned can have a higher chance of success, which is what we're shooting for, than those I've read about!
#258 · Oct 18, 2004, 05:38 · Pantalimon
I'm the webmaster at the Lucid Crossroads (or Astral Crossroads depending how you choose to visit), click my website button, which is a long term shared thats been going over two years now and is constantly developing. I'd like to integrate (join up) the Astral Local more firmly into what we do over there.
We would love your skills over at the Crossroads... I believe all efforts on the sharing of disparate people around the globes mobilities of consciousness should be pooled into a greater effort.
#259 · Oct 19, 2004, 11:05 · Parapsycho
It would be more interesting if this "game" had multi-player support, where you could connect a bunch of users over the Internet.
That would be interesting to see if people in the astral world, could cause changes noticeable in the game world. You wouldn't necessarily need a multi-player game for that, but it would add a bit to the fun factor.
#260 · Oct 22, 2004, 00:37 · Leannain
hmm i like Cheyyne ideas.
#261 · Oct 22, 2004, 06:29 · Mr.Swift
Quote from: Cheyyne The other suggestion would be hypnotism! Since your mind has the capacity to create a "shadow" version of the API, it's definitely got to have the ability also to transport you there. If a member of the forums skilled in hypnotism (perhaps the user, "Hypnotist"?) could create an audio track of some sort and make it available for download, it would give everyone a relatively pain-free way of increasing their chances of success. By being very specific about the locale in the hypnotism, I'm SURE it would be possible to ensure your phasing goes according to plan!Won't the BrainWave Generator be a good tool for self Hypnotisim? Then in your mind while lying down you could just repeat in your head over and over "Mind stay up and leave the body". Well, I haven't been able to use this method to Astral Project yet, but it helped when I was studying for a test.
#262 · Oct 27, 2004, 19:06 · Cheyyne
#263 · Dec 16, 2004, 20:00 · FlexiMind
I'm new to this board and I can see I have a lot of reading to catch up with everyone
. I was so thrilled to find a group of people that have explored this idea of an astral meeting place...I've been looking for a place like that. Is it open to any curious projector or is it invitation only? Does anyone have pics of what the inside of the pyramid looks like, or what some of the outside meeting places look like? The one picture I saw is kind of dense, it would be helpful to visualize a more open area, like a wide beach, or an area cleared between the palm trees. Thanks!
#264 · May 22, 2005, 12:06 · Darkening_Light
Soo many questions and as all ways when first seeing hope of success it seems like soo little time.
#265 · Jun 24, 2005, 14:46 · Hammish
Egypt + Big River + Farming = The Nile and farming Rice crops which require flooded land to grown.
#266 · Jun 24, 2005, 14:51 · Darkening_Light
#267 · Jun 24, 2005, 15:20 · Hammish
#268 · Oct 05, 2005, 20:28 · AmericanIdiot
How do you view it? It just shows the regular forum img tags.
#269 · Oct 06, 2005, 10:41 · Selski
Try this - http://www.astralpulse.com/locale/
It works for me.
Sarah
#270 · Dec 03, 2005, 14:56 · xxshimmerxx
Quote from: Mr.SwiftI've tried that. I repeated to myself 3 times aloud "Mind awake, body asleep" then I said aloud "I will remember!" three times. I just kept thinking "mind awake, body asleep" in my head several times, and pretty soon I got the sleep paralysis and floated out. ^_^ It works for me.
Then in your mind while lying down you could just repeat in your head over and over "Mind stay up and leave the body". Well, I haven't been able to use this method to Astral Project yet, but it helped when I was studying for a test.
I've tried phasing before... but I didn't seem to get anywhere... everything went blank. >_<
#271 · Oct 08, 2007, 09:29 · FadeEsdrasX
-Andrew
#272 · Oct 28, 2008, 08:57 · SerGei
What about scenes from the movie: The Beach?
#273 · Jan 08, 2010, 02:28 · Inkheart
). Well I hope to see you all on the planes!
Inkheart
#274 · Jul 10, 2012, 03:06 · Patterns of Perfection
#275 · Dec 27, 2013, 14:40 · Humilitas
#276 · Nov 19, 2015, 23:40 · AstralPhreak