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Quote Please share your experience. I know many people when they are out of their body they will see spirits. I meant ghosts. But it does not mean you are a ghost. For example: That I know I am one of the gods, the reason that I know I am a god because I can visit other parts of universe.

They all seem to recognize me by my god title. And they would kneel in front of me and called me by my title.

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Quote Please share your experience. I know many people when they are out of their body they will see spirits. I meant ghosts. But it does not mean you are a ghost. For example: That I know I am one of the gods, the reason that I know I am a god because I can visit other parts of universe.

Quote When you find yourself in someone's dream, I could almost assume that you have a angel status. I will give you an example: Usually, this is a job of Angles or the nuns from the Heaven. They are able to come to human dreams and heal them or help humans for all different reasons. And even you are human now, but your soul could slip out and still doing the same functions that you did before. So, the chances are you could be an angel reborn on earth. What is your mission on earth? That I do not know. That you might want to find out.

Quote I would reveal my God title but at this point I prefer not to say it, I do not want to accused that I am insane. Laughing But I can assure you that I am not Jesus. LOL

I am able to go all different places, each time could be different.

Other beings in other part of universe are able to ask help from me, too. Then I would appear over their world, I have no fear. Because I know when I am out of human body, I am immortal.

And I have magic powers, for example I have a sword would follow me everywhere in the universe even when I am out of human body.

There are many ways to know if you are immortal. But I also curious and wanted to know if any body are able to be out of human earth and to other levels of universe? Beacuse I know there are many levels of universe.

Do tell me more. You were helping them doing what?

Quote Do tell me more. You were helping them doing what?

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Quote Just the other day I woke up and was out of my body. I didn't know it until my dresser drawer opened and a head came out of it, peering at me. I thought "who the hell is that??? this isn't making any sense!!!" then I realized what was going on. I thought "gee, it would be lovely if that person in my dresser was my friend from work" and it was her, just as I thought it should be.

Quote from: Sapphire- Hi, everyone,

My name is Sapphire.

I am able to do OBE with ease and in and out my human body with no problems.

I am able to visit "Hell", "Heaven" and the "kingdom of gods" and see other entities like the ghosts.

And I am here to share experiences.

I want to know where do you go when you out of your human body?

Let's share our views.

Quote from: Vvid1012 Hey Nay, loved your story!  I was curious though as to how you knew you were in his dream? Was it that fact that the dream revolved around the boy?

Quote from: knightlight god status? awesome.  I don't wish to tear you down at all but through my experience of OBE's I tend to shape my surroundings with my mind and have control over most things.  If I wanted to be in front of a huge crowd that bowed to me and called me King Gobo or something I could.  I don't want to insult you and I am very interested in your experiences, but how do you know that your mind isn't creating these experiences???
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Quote from: Tombo Hello Sapphire!

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And I am

Quote from: knightlight I must say your posts are extremely interesting!  Heavenly chocolates???  Gotta get me some of them!  I have had 2 projections where I have been forced into a place and had no choice, at least not in my mind, to save someone who was powerless from a situation that was horrific to say the least.  I have always been going along minding my own astral business when I am suddenly in a place with a very dark atmosphere and I can feel someone in distress.  Sometimes I will hear them crying a few rooms away or I am in front of them and feel someone or something very bad coming to harm them.

I am as you describe with a full body, full color.
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Quote My guess is: Could it be Nay? So, when Nay is reading this, I want you to tell me if this person was you? If the person was you, I am going to help you to appear in full color with my knowledge.

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Quote My guess is: Could it be Nay? So, when Nay is reading this, I want you to tell me if this person was you? If the person was you, I am going to help you to appear in full color with my knowledge.

Quote Then I would be able to tell if you belong to Heaven or the kingdom of gods.

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Quote Then I would be able to tell if you belong to Heaven or the kingdom of gods.

I belong to the Gods of the Abyss (union leader, in fact).

Quote But can`t you see what is happening here ? Cultism at its highest.
The whole thing sounds like: I am a God because I know it, I can OBE with ease, and beings told me I am GOD, besides that I can leave Earth - no one else can. What did you say John ? You had a similar experience ? Let me check something for a second.... Yes, I was right, you are a Red Dot God - which is half immortal (whatever that means, maybe you live half the life of an immortal god - so that means you will basically live for ever - still you`re not a God but a Red Dot God). Yes I've been to Hell - and I must tell you, believe it or not - it is REALLY HOT there (yes they have chocolate in hell too - but it's all melted), and I wanted to help - but then I saw what that man did in his life after his parents were killed in his face in his childhood, yes he deserves to be tormented forever. If i say so it must be so i guess, no ? I am a God after all. What Witan, what did you say ? I have a big ego or I'm trying to deceive others ? Hmmm let me check something - yes, i was right again, wow, you are a demon trying to deceive these angels with cool powers to find the truth.

Quote But there are risk involved, because when you are out of earth, lots of other gods and beings will see you. They might capture you, so I do not recommend you get out of the earth. I was just very daring and careless about if I was able to make it back (if you can not make it back, your human body might become "Vegetable" the body is here, but the soul was gone.) I was captured many times, but because I have a god status, and own many magic powers, so I always make it to rescue myself and make it to come back

Quote There is no way you can tear me down, trust me, my friend. You do not have the experience, does not mean other will not.

I tell you why I know I am a high rank God. At this moment, I have not found anyone make it to leave earth yet. And I have already make it to the kingdom of all gods many times, and almost countless

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Quote from: Witan Heaven chocolate ? God status ? heaven god ?
You are a god and you can't even spell properly ? There is even a spell checker on this forum. You write like a 12 year old MIRC kiddie. Plus you say you have read this forums for some time - yet you have no (i say again: NO) knowledge about astral and the Alice in wonderland effect.

Quote from: knightlight I prefer to remain open  minded to both mystical and scientific approaches.  Both sides have their fanatics.  Its nice to hear from everyone no matter how out there they are, and on such subjects as this how do we know whos right?

Quote from: astralp I can astral project sometimes.

Quote from: Vvid1012 Witan,

This thread was simply about our experiences in the astral... whichever they might be.  You don't have to like them or read them either.  However, we are all here to share and learn from eachother... no need for the hostile comments

Quote from: Major Tom Personally, it has always eluded me why people associate OBEs with power and "god-like statuses".

That wording is likely to receive some negative response, and these forums are also for debate where we don't always have to argue as emotionless automatons under a restrictive banner of "love and light" and feigned spirituality.

Quote from: -->PhenomenoN<-- I tend to find myself flying around my neighboorhood/town.  Outside my house.

-haven't consciously gone out of body (yet)

Quote from: astral man Witan and Sapphire, i have a question for both of you...

Quote from: Witan astral man - i read your post again (your native language is probably not enlglish - don`t worry I`m in the same situation). You somehow think that I doubt that OBE or AP exists. No - I don`t doubt that at all.
For your knowledge even the creation of the universe theories have some arguments behind them - and the name theory is there for a reason i guess.

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Quote But can`t you see what is happening here ? Cultism at its highest.

Quote from: Witan Thank God (and I don`t mean you Saphire) someone else agrees with me.

Quote from: Witan Sapphire - this is intended to help you although it may not seem that obviuos. I'm trying to show that the conclusions you make are ridicoulus. Is it that hard to understand that Astral is a THOUGHT-SENSITIVE place ? Where your thoughts become reality ? If you can`t grasp that concept than there is nothing else for me to say.

Quote from: Tombo Witan, Since you native language isn't english (same as me) I give you a good tip that I learnt from somebody:

Never try to be ironic in a language other then your mother tongue, because most of the time others won't get it!

Quote from: Vvid1012 Well I do agree the term 'god' is a little or even a lot exaggerated.  This is because of my background and how I'v viewed that term my whole life.  However, I have no clue of Sapphire's history and actual definition of 'god' is.  Perhaps not as extreme ( maybe lost in translation). Take it with a grain of salt or whatever.

I do, however, have an argument against people's beliefs in this whole 'rabbit hole effect' and how it's only themselves.  Yes I believe in the astral you can manifest and see whatever you like.  It has been said many times that you are projecting into your own mind...The problem I see with this is, we are ultimately all connected.  Energy is constantly being exchanged among people.  What stops Us from projecting into someone else's mind? someone else's experiences or problems?  I've heard many accounts of people projecting, meeting, and later both recalling the same obe.  How is this possible if it's only within one mind?

I believe souljah was touching on this in another thread...but if we have the ability to choose what we see, we also have the ability to choose what NOT to see.  If we choose only to see flowers and people that are already happy, we will see them.  At the same time we are choosing not to see people of a lower freq that are in need of help, perhaps.  And yes there are people that are in need of help today--we all are.

just keep an open mind, is what Im saying

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I do, however,

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Quote from: -->PhenomenoN<-- We are ALL connected.  All consequences is connected - just focused differently.  [/i]

Quote from: Kazbadan I am not being stupid, just sating that i really dint care since my own studys about death, obes, etc, will not be affected by sapphire. I just lik eto hear nice storys, with imagination. Like the one about chocolate...hummm!

Quote The judge looked at me (He could not tell I am a God.) And he was able to sentence me. That was ridicules, first of all. He could not tell that I am not really dead. Secondly, he could not give me fair hearing. Thirdly, he could not tell I am a God.

But I waited patiently, until he finished his words. I stood up. (I am very clear minded know who I am, you need to be, too when OBE.) I was much bigger than him, because I am a god.

I said to him : "Sentence, my butt." (Pardon my french.) "First of all you could not tell I am a god. Secondly, you could not even tell I am not actually dead. And you have no ability to give fair hearings." I fired him and got a god from the kingdom of Heaven to be the "Judge". Who are able to give fair hearing and having the ability to actually view what the humans did while they were alive and judge them from there. And have the ability to see if the soul is still having live human body on earth and able to tell if the soul is a god or goddess from the kingdom of Heaven or kingdom of gods.

By the way if you are a god or goddess from the Kingdom of Heaven, you can only be judged by the Judge from the kingdom of gods, and if you are a god or goddess, you suffer no Karma. And you can not be judged, you just come back to the Kingdom of gods. But the king of all gods rules over there.

Trust me, there were a god from the kingdom of gods was judged by mistake and sent to Heaven jail and suffered unnecessary.

Later, I was informed. I was requested to be there is because there were too much complaints about wrong judgment from that judge.

Quote My friend, read my words carefully, there are still there. I said, so far I have not found anyone left earth(I meant all the people in this site), I meant at the begin postings. Later, I did find Knightlight is able to but different method.

Quote Take a look at the sun. It rises in the east and sets in the west. You follow its movement from one point to the next and it appears to be revolving around us. This is obvious, because we can see it does. Unfortunately, it is us that is revolving around it.

Now, you project into the wider physical. I do not like using the term "real-time zone" because there is no such thing as "real" time and it is not a "zone". But we all kinda get what we mean so let's not complicate the issue on that score. So we project into the RTZ. You see yourself out of body. It is obvious you are out of body because you can see that you are. But what you are seeing is the equivalent of watching the sun revolving around the planet.

You have not actually gone "out" of body at all. You have simply taken a step "back", so to speak, from the front-line physical in terms of your current focus, into the wider physical. You cannot go "out" of someplace where you were never "in" in the first place. If someone moves their location from point a to point b, this logically presupposes the person was actually at point a to begin with. If I want to go out of one room into another room I have to initially be in that first room.

In terms of the body, we are not located in that first room, we are merely focused within it, as if from a distance, if you like. The analogy falls down rather quickly but imagine looking into room one from a distance through a telephoto lens, then you shift your focus to room two. In a sense, and only in a sense, this is what we are doing.

As I have said many times, people get body fixated to the extent where their whole sense of thinking becomes relative to it. But a body is merely an objective representation of the accumulation of a particular set of expectations regarding the enactment of certain types of actions within particular areas of consciousness. It holds no other purpose.

One of the most popular questions people ask me is, "Frank, what is the easiest way of me leaving my body?" You can't, there is no way at all you can leave your body. You can shift your focus of attention into the wider physical, you can shift it to Focus 2/3/4 but you cannot leave your body. There is no way you can step beyond the physical. The physical is an end result. Nothing exists outside of ourselves. Some people accept this but then start taking it way too far the other way and begin calling physical reality an illusion. I step short of that by a long way. Anyone who thinks physical reality is an illusion should walk into the nearest lamppost.

It's not that physical reality is an illusion, it's the notion of objectivity that is the illusion. To understand what I mean by that you need to study the way the subjective translates into the objective, in terms of energy. This knowledge can be gained from Focus 4 and Focus 2 experiences. Particularly in regard to the way our perception creates our reality.

Quote from: Kazbadan TOmbo...you dont know who is Buddha?! without any offense, i think that its strange...but please i am not being ironic. maybe thats because you are from a non english country and in your tongue you have a different word.
Buddha was the creator of Buddhism, a religion. honestly i dont know how to translate buddhism or buddha to your language.

see you

Quote I hope you are not shock, but the truth is many Christian and Catholic gods and goddesses. They are also Buddha and Bodhisattvas. They are able to function the same.

Quote from: nicedreams he is not trying to create a cult but he sure sounds like a cult leader with all those ideas of his and him being a GOD and then he talks about humans like he is not a human but we all know he is it scares me you should read everything frank has posted and lose all those ideas of yours cuse its screwing up your head i dont think its healthy.

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Quote from: Sapphire- Hi, everyone,

Quote from: -->PhenomenoN<-- My first OBE i remember wanting to see heaven + hell.

Quote from: astralp ok im going to work on manifesting a weapon with me that i can defend myself with.  Ill let you know when i do this because i really want to leave earth and see what else is out there.

Quote from: Tombo what is a Buddha?

Quote from: Sapphire Unusually, "Buddha" means the one, the enlighten one (His name is Siddhartha) .  Who really understand life and death and think everything is not real (For example: Life is short, so it is not real, but soul is real.)

Quote OK, now, I dont really remember, but this one time, I kinda remember leaving my body, and roaming around this unknown place about 5 years ago (I was 9). Since that one time, I was capable of leaving my body on own free will. But recently, I have'nt been able to do so, as if I'm not able to anymore.. Might you know whats wrong

Quote Thanks Han, that helped a bit. I'll go read the FAQ's right now. But I'm afraid sometime's too, the last time I left my body, I appeared to be in an area that looked like hell, I felt dizzy, hard to breath, and I lost concentration, and the air was burning, not saying that it might've been hell, thats when I woke up, I was back in my body. Yeah, and since then, I did'nt leave my body for awhile. Then the day's became a year, and once i tried re-leaving my body, I was stomped. I felt as though there was a tough bubble surrounding my body, unabbleing me to leave, and then I would return to my body... So I just thought I'd speak of my situation.

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Quote from: Tombo what is a Buddha?

Lots on -
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&safe=off&c2coff=1&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&q=define%3ABuddha&btnG=Search

"Buddha ... can refer to ... anyone who has attained the same depth and quality of enlightenment. "

Quote from: nicedreams he is not trying to create a cult but he sure sounds like a cult leader with all those ideas of his and him being a GOD and then he talks about humans like he is not a human but we all know he is it scares me you should read everything frank has posted and lose all those ideas of yours cuse its screwing up your head i dont think its healthy.

Quote from: Kazbadan TOmbo...you dont know who is Buddha?! without any offense, i think that its strange...but please i am not being ironic. maybe thats because you are from a non english country and in your tongue you have a different word.
Buddha was the creator of Buddhism, a religion. honestly i dont know how to translate buddhism or buddha to your language.

see you

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Quote from: Kazbadan TOmbo...you dont know who is Buddha?! without any offense, i think that its strange...but please i am not being ironic. maybe thats because you are from a non english country and in your tongue you have a different word.
Buddha was the creator of Buddhism, a religion. honestly i dont know how to translate buddhism or buddha to your language.

see you

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This is exactly what I meant - he/she sounds like a cult leader, who cares he doesn`t recruit yet.
Sapphire - a cult isn't necessary a completely other religion. Go to a catholic/orthodox priest and tell him you are a God, let's see how he will react.
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Quote from: gyver8448 wow this is an intersting thread i dunno if any of you remember me but i havent been around in a LONG time well sapphire this is a very interesting thing going on here could you pm or something so we can talk?

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Quote from: Kazbadan Tombo, now i see where you wanna get.

about being a buddha, i think that if a buddhist (be it bddha or not) want to help everyome, he can reeicarnate in order to to that.

the Dalai Lama for instance, its a reeicarnation of someone that wants to help others..for that reason he still being reincarnating.

just my opinion about buddhism and reeincarnation.

sorry for the off topic guys

Quote from: FeNc3r Oh no, I'm not immortal! I should not try to get out of body then, I better reject all the knowledge that comes from OOBEs and leave it to the god sapphire, right?

Just some minutes ago i read a topic in Astral FAQ about Frank's model of focuses of consciousness (is the spelling correct?) and this "Being a god and killing demons" smells like Focus2oC...

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Quote from: FeNc3r Oh no, I'm not immortal! I should not try to get out of body then, I better reject all the knowledge that comes from OOBEs and leave it to the god sapphire, right?

Just some minutes ago i read a topic in Astral FAQ about Frank's model of focuses of consciousness (is the spelling correct?) and this "Being a god and killing demons" smells like Focus2oC...

Whether you are immortal or mortal is not up to your decision.  When you die for most of human kinds that unable to Astral Project.  You could still be  immortal.

Just our souls slipped out sometimes not by will.   Just because we are needed in some where else in other part of universe.

Quote from: Frank Sapphire:

Putting my Moderator hat on for a moment:

It sounds to me like all you are doing is prosletysing buddhism under the guise of trying to teach people about astral projection. Nothing to be ashamed of I suppose. We get people trying this on now and again so most long-standing members here are used to it. But I would respectfully suggest that the affair has run it's course to the extent where it is time to close it all down.
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All right, Frank,

You have got what you asked, , I close it all down for you.

I come here with peace, but I am being threaten all of time, the feeling is not good.

I have removed so called "proselytizing" postings as you asked.

Humans have their own destiny to follow.

Take care,