#0 · Aug 03, 2002, 13:02 · Jeff_Mash

Hello all,

My biggest problem isn't so much getting OUT of my body.  My problem is deciding what to do when I'm out!

This morning, I got out and basically walked into my kitchen.   My lucidity was good, but my mind was racing full of thoughts.  "Should I go outside and see if I can talk to a neighbor?  Should I ask to communicate with my guide?  Should I try to contact someone in the Astral Pulse message board?"

This is a recurring problem with me.  I always seem to get out of my body right where my physical one is laying.  I also always appear to be in a familiar place (like my house, a childhood home, etc).  Does anyone else have this "indecisive problem"?  I think I read somewhere that if you close your eyes and spin while in the astral, it will take you to place.  However, I have a feeling this closing of eyes and spinning will cause me to lose control of my experience and I'll be back in my body.

Any ideas as to what we can do once we are "out"?  I would like to talk to some astral entity, but usually, I never see any.  I used to think "Man, once I get ot of body, I'm going to visit this person, and that person, and this country, and that country, etc."  However, once I am out, I seem to just soak up the experience and sit there!  Like flying on top of my roof and smiling at the beauty of everything!  How cheesy!

Keep smiling,

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#1 · Aug 03, 2002, 13:05 · jilola

Here's a challenge: See if you can have a meta-obe. AP out of the astral body.
Or you could zoom here and help me get out http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/images/icon_Smile.gif" border=0>

2cents

jouni

#2 · Aug 03, 2002, 15:50 · ralphm

It sounds like you are in the real time zone-to get the astral you need to do some of the things RB talks about in his book. I usually head in a upward direction and have approached the astral.My experiences have been somewhat limited so i do not have a real good goal of what to do either.Some one before mentioned to ask your higher self or guides for direction before obeing which i have done once and thought it helped.

#3 · Aug 03, 2002, 16:04 · Adrian

Greetings Jeff!

I think I read in one of Robert's books that he experienced this problem for quite some time as well.

If I remember, he finally solved it by picking a point on the horizon, and blasting off towards it as fast as he could.

Sometimes it resulted blasting into outer space, but generally eventually resulted in a dimensional/vibrational shift to the Astral.

Some people have/had (Frank?) the converse problem, and project straight to the Astral and not the "real-time zone". I believe it depends on how you exit - i.e. from a waking consciousness/trance/relaxed state, or from a hypnopombic state, e.g. when waking up early in the morning with mind semi-awake, body asleep.

I suggest you read Roberts treatise on OBE downloadable from the file library.

Best regards,

Adrian.

#4 · Aug 03, 2002, 17:21 · alpha

Ive used that method flying as fast as you can,Once you go past a certain speed on the real time.Eveything will start to blurr and you will end up in an astral realm.I actually tried to go to japan and this is what happened to me.I ended up in a great place either way http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/images/icon_Smile.gif" border=0>

GOOD LUCK,ALPHA

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#5 · Aug 04, 2002, 04:16 · Frank

That's the problem with the RT-zone, once the novelty wears off it can become a little boring. I only learned to project to the RT-zone fairly recently, after having had hundreds of true-Astral adventures. It's nothing compared to the Astral, where you are free to interact with all kinds of resident entities.

Basically, you need to learn to project directly to the Astral. If you give me a detailed rundown of your normal projection process I could probably give you some pointers.

Yours,
Frank

#6 · Aug 04, 2002, 12:03 · Jeff_Mash

quote:
Originally posted by ralphm:
It sounds like you are in the real time zone-to get the astral you need to do some of the things RB talks about in his book. I usually head in a upward direction and have approached the astral.My experiences have been somewhat limited so i do not have a real good goal of what to do either.Some one before mentioned to ask your higher self or guides for direction before obeing which i have done once and thought it helped.
Maybe I'll try that Ralph.  My only problem is that in the past, whenever I have travelled at fast speeds, I lose my vision, become disorientated, and ultimately lose control.  So now whenever I am out, I usually try to stay on the ground and take things slow, because I am afraid (?) that I will end the experience too soon.  Hmmmmm....I never thought I was scared of anything while out, but perhaps that is a passive fear I have which is hindering me - the fear of losing the experience!

Thanks for the reply.

Keep smiling,

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#7 · Aug 04, 2002, 12:09 · Jeff_Mash

quote:
Originally posted by Adrian:
If I remember, he finally solved it by picking a point on the horizon, and blasting off towards it as fast as he could.

Sometimes it resulted blasting into outer space, but generally eventually resulted in a dimensional/vibrational shift to the Astral.
I should try that when I get out again.  I found myself in space one time, probably a few miles above the moons surface.  The thing was HUGE and dark.  I had a very empty feeling and a little fear came over me, because it was just this huge rock in the midst of black darkness.  I turned around and looked at the earth below me, and that was very beautiful.

I guess I have a little fear of shooting off into space, because the one time I was there, it was very lonely!  I guess the key would be not to stop, but keep going past the fear threshold.
quote:
Some people have/had (Frank?) the converse problem, and project straight to the Astral and not the "real-time zone". I believe it depends on how you exit - i.e. from a waking consciousness/trance/relaxed state, or from a hypnopombic state, e.g. when waking up early in the morning with mind semi-awake, body asleep.
I almost ALWAYS (90-95% of the time) exit right from where my physical body is laying.  So I always find myself in my room, and move out from there.  Even when I went on vacation, I projected out from where I was sleeping in  a tent!  Only a couple times have I gotten out, started flying around in a black void, and then ended up somewhere farther away than my physical body was located.
quote:
I suggest you read Roberts treatise on OBE downloadable from the file library.
I read those back in the day when he first wrote them.  When I get some time, I will have to re-read them again.

Thanks for the response.

Keep smiling,

Jeff Mash, Founder and Editor
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#8 · Aug 04, 2002, 12:11 · Jeff_Mash

quote:
Originally posted by alpha:
Ive used that method flying as fast as you can,Once you go past a certain speed on the real time.Eveything will start to blurr and you will end up in an astral realm.I actually tried to go to japan and this is what happened to me.I ended up in a great place either way http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/images/icon_Smile.gif" border=0>
You know what happens with me?  Let's say that like you, I wanted to go to Japan.  I would start flying SUPER FAST, and in mid flight, my mind goes, "Wow, I am travelling so fast, there is no way in hell that Japan is this far out there!  I should have been there by now.  Where in the hell am I going?"  As you can guess, my heart starts beating fast because of this, and I get tugged back into my body!

Keep smiling,

Jeff Mash, Founder and Editor
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#9 · Aug 04, 2002, 12:15 · Jeff_Mash

quote:
Originally posted by Frank:

That's the problem with the RT-zone, once the novelty wears off it can become a little boring. I only learned to project to the RT-zone fairly recently, after having had hundreds of true-Astral adventures. It's nothing compared to the Astral, where you are free to interact with all kinds of resident entities.

Basically, you need to learn to project directly to the Astral. If you give me a detailed rundown of your normal projection process I could probably give you some pointers.

Yours,
Frank
Frank,

Basically, I always project in my room, although I never have sight right away.  I have to get out of my room, into the hallway, and then it kicks in.  That is usually the case with all my OBE's, so I find myself in my house, and then I have no idea what to do.  There is always the "urge" to sneak into a neighbors house and see what I can see, but even in the astral, that feels so trivial, so I usually stray away from doing that.

If you need to know anything else about my experiences, just ask and I'd be glad to share.

Keep smiling,

Jeff Mash, Founder and Editor
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#10 · Aug 04, 2002, 13:28 · Frank

In order to give you some pointers, what I need to know is your step-by-step methodology that leads you projecting into your room. With a little change to that, you should be able to project directly into the Astral in a controlled way.

I know absolutely what you mean by travelling at high speed. It's too hit and miss. I used to do this all the time. It was only when I came across Astral Dynamics and this BBS that I began working on slowing things down.

Yours,
Frank

#11 · Aug 04, 2002, 14:08 · Tom

The advice in Astral Dynamics for travelling more than a couple of hundred miles was to jump up into orbit and then come back down to the region of the planet you want to visit. I think that was where I saw it. The problem was with going too far and leaving the solar system instead of just entering orbit.

#12 · Aug 05, 2002, 00:45 · ralphm

Jeff, do you experience reality fluctuations?Sounds almost like you don't. RB says to go through a doorthat is in the wrong place or into a fluctuation and you will go to the astral.

#13 · Aug 05, 2002, 08:35 · Jeff_Mash

quote:
Originally posted by Frank:

In order to give you some pointers, what I need to know is your step-bt-step methodology that leads you projecting into your room. With a little change to that, you should be able to project directly into the Astral in a controlled way.

I know absolutely what you mean by travelling at high speed. It's too hit and miss. I used to do this all the time. It was only when I came across Astral Dynamics and this BBS that I began working on slowing things down.

Yours,
Frank
Well Frank, my methodology to my OBE's are not that hard.  I simply lay down on my back, and do some breathing exercises.  I try to clear my mind, while at the same time, focus on the images that I see before me.  Usually at some point, there is an image or a point of view that I can focus on which becomes almost three dimensional.  When I lock onto an image like that, I almost get pulled into it.  This movement brings my awareness back to my body, but doesn't break my trance.  It is then that I am able to project.

Once I am in this state of awareness, I instincively know that I am still in my room.  So when I get up and walk (and usually feel around until I get my sight), I am feeling familiar surroundings in my house.

I'm not sure how else to break down my mrthodology, but I hope that gives you some insight as to how  I start off.

Thanks for the response.

Keep smiling,

Jeff Mash, Founder and Editor
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#14 · Aug 05, 2002, 08:39 · Jeff_Mash

quote:
Originally posted by ralphm:
Jeff, do you experience reality fluctuations?Sounds almost like you don't. RB says to go through a doorthat is in the wrong place or into a fluctuation and you will go to the astral.
Ralph,

I don't really experience any of those.  Everything *usually* looks the same as the physical environment.  However, sometimes when things look slightly different, it doesn't really register that strongly with me.  For example, if I project into my kitchen and my refridgerator is on the wrong side of the wall, I might simply say to myself, "Hmmmm...that's odd" and then keep doing what I'm doing.  I still know that it's my kitchen, so I don't think anything of it.

Keep smiling,

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#15 · Aug 05, 2002, 10:43 · Frank

Okay, I am fairly certain that what you have described is pretty much the same as I have taught myself to do as a result of slowing down my normal projection process.

You say, "When I lock onto an image like that, I almost get pulled into it."

That's what you need to do, allow yourself to mentally step into it and you should find yourself standing within the Astral rather than the RT-zone. Your Astral body and the Astral have a biomagnetic attraction that's why you feel the pull.

Yours,
Frank

#16 · Aug 06, 2002, 09:06 · Jeff_Mash

quote:
Originally posted by Frank:

Okay, I am fairly certain that what you have described is pretty much the same as I have taught myself to do as a result of slowing down my normal projection process.

You say, "When I lock onto an image like that, I almost get pulled into it."

That's what you need to do, allow yourself to mentally step into it and you should find yourself standing within the Astral rather than the RT-zone. Your Astral body and the Astral have a biomagnetic attraction that's why you feel the pull.

Yours,
Frank
Ahhh, I think I know what you're saying now.  In other words, when I feel that pull, instead of focusing back to my physical room where I usually project to, just "go" where I am being pulled and see where it takes me.  Right?

Now I am all excited to try this and see what happens!  I only hope I can do it without simply projecting to my room, which is what I have been accustomed to doing these past 4 years.

Thanks for the advice.  I really look forward to all your posts, Frank.

Keep smiling,

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#17 · Aug 07, 2002, 13:43 · Frank

No problem, let me know how it goes. Might be tricky to rid yourself of a 4-year habit right away.

Yours,
Frank

#18 · Aug 09, 2002, 09:02 · AndrewTheSinger

Hey I tried that fly fast trick today. I was here in my house and I started flying away. At first I was at low speed, as fast as a pigeon I guess. I tried everything I could to speed it up... asked for speed, ordered to go faster, tried to do it myself somehow. I was getting disappointed as I thought it would be over and I wouldn't get anywhere, but then my vision became blurry, and I just concentrated on that blurry thing, kinda forcing it to become more and more blurry as if I was really fast. I kept going and then it was all white. All of a sudden I was in front of the world. Not the planet itself but a globe, a very nice and clear scheme of the world. I began to fly around it to randomly choose a place to go and I had some problems getting into the globe cause I was slidding. When I finally thought I had entered somewhere it all went dark. I could see some shady shapes but I thought I wasn't going anywhere and, after sometime I decided it was over. Maybe next time.