#0 · Aug 27, 2004, 14:16 · jason
the 'definate' nature of the lower frequency physical universe (versus the higher "subtle realms") also causes it to be limited in it's ability to process and store data (as remarkable as the brain is).
however,modern physics tells us that there is no such thing as absolute time,and reality itself is not solid and static,but even the most mundane object is alive with movement-creation and destruction on a faster and larger time scale than our basic perception allows.
and I've learned from a guide that time is actually a unified phenomenon.time is all one (the future/present/past always exists,and is always evolving).
this leads me to the conclusion that time is highly malleable,and I've recently read reports of people that seem to experience "time slips" where they will temporarily slip into the past,and then slip back.
do you think,that by a progressive spiritual evolution of our minds,we can harness this ability,and "ride the currents of time" that lay beyond our illusion of linear time?
someone,please answer...
hmmm[?]...
Jason, Your question might get a better response here than in the Sp Dev forum. S [
]
#1 · Aug 31, 2004, 17:29 · James S
It seems you're not the only one who has been told this by a spirit! They obviously have a much better grasp on the concept of time than we do.
A good explanation I read about how to relate to time is firstly, dont think of it as linear, esp. not in a horizontal direction, but rather vertical, kind of like an office building of infinite height, with an infinite number of floors. All events in time exist at once. We then just perceive events from one floor of that building.
Being able to look into past or future isn't a matter of moving forward or backward in time, but learning where the elevator is, and moving up and down to different floors, because we are not looking at different directions in time, we are just looking at different "nows".
It can also be said that time does not move, we move through it.
I could think about it some more, but if I do, my brain might try to implode!
Kind regards,
James.
#2 · Sep 21, 2004, 19:21 · Krevency
quote:Ahh!! You're the second person I've heard this from, the first being myself.
and I've learned from a guide that time is actually a unified phenomenon.time is all one (the future/present/past always exists,and is always evolving).
I have not spoken (or don't remember) with my guides, but when I was maybe fifteen I heard some guy on television (some dumb movie) trying to explain claravoyance as time not being in a line, but a big loop, and a psychic is someone who can see a different part of the loop.
That, IMHO, is total BS, but it got me thinking. What shape would time take?
It's a dimensionless dot! Why? All I was ever able to explain it as was: Now is happening right now, but now it's past. The future is not happening right now, but it will be.
That's not a good translation of my mental-ese. But it's good to hear someone else say this. I'm also pleased to hear James say this.
#3 · Dec 23, 2004, 03:54 · beavis
#4 · Dec 25, 2004, 07:02 · Tayesin
I coined my own quote to explain my experiences of 'journeying to previous lives' and other things/places/times. It goes a little like this, " Time is only relevent to having a perception of it, apart from that it does not really exist."
#5 · Dec 25, 2004, 07:15 · beavis
#6 · Jan 03, 2005, 13:36 · narfellus
#7 · Jan 03, 2005, 21:49 · Van-Stolin
I guess this would be something of events not having an order since in order for it to take place, a person from the future would have to be in the past, but how would this be possible if the future didn't happen at the same moment as the past did, see. I tried explaining it to some people that watch the show, but they just thought I was crazy and said that time can't work like that.
#8 · Jan 10, 2005, 11:11 · BirdManKalki
All is Light and Thought, the unmanifest and the manifest, matter is manifested thought our bodies are manifested thought are minds unmanifested thought, these words here, manifested thought the word here ßunmanifested thought. Time doesn't exist and if it did, (if being the non existent word) its because the masses think it does. I myself, view time as manifested thought that the unmanifested thought in all senses of the word chooses to experience.
Instead of using the word time I myself prefer moment or incidence. Past present and future are the moment or co-incidences. Time is like a half empty fish tank with a fluid pattern of waves on its surface, we then quickly pour in the other half of the fish tank and a load of fish that are scattered about within it. The waves of the tank become distorted and the pattern looses fluid motion, each Goldfish experiences a different feel to the waves according to its position in the tank. Now from the moment the water was at the beginning in its fluid pattern incident one, and from the moment the water and fish was added, incident two, to the moment the water finally finds and regains its calm fluid pattern, incident three can be called time or moments or co-incidences, however each Goldfish within the tank experiences and rides a different wave and therefore will experience different incidences and therefore a different time, plus it doesn't help that Goldfish swim in circles and have a five second memory. For anything outside tank (outside the incidences) time would cease to exist.
Therefore a coincidence (or sync) is a recognised linking co-incidence, so if a dumiii says that your sync was a coincidence they would be just affirming something that ourselves were aware of, therefore they would know not what they do.
Therefore one could quite openly claim time to be a matter of co-incidence. Anybody reading this just joined this incident of ours and travelled back in time. Or as it was put, experienced a time slip.
#9 · Jan 10, 2005, 11:53 · Frank
I think you will find it beneficial to move beyond the old "memories stored in the brain" constructs and think more in terms of mind.
The other aspect of your post you might consider is, within objective reality, we experience the passage of time as a succession of moments that flow from future through to past. As such, I think it is stretching the narrative to go so far as to define what we experience as linear-time as an illusion. But I can see where people are coming from when they talk about time in this way.
Ultimately, time is an action in consciousness that we have created. On that basis, time cannot possibly be an illusion as it does have a reality existence as action. However, it is our experience of time that can often appear illusionary.
Yours,
Frank
#10 · Jan 12, 2005, 16:35 · anton1
Quote from: jason Our brain's physiology operates on a specific,highly focused frequency of the greater reality.it's funny how one makes a statement like that and then supports it with real world science.
#11 · Jan 13, 2005, 12:17 · Tom
#12 · Jan 16, 2005, 10:29 · thelou
I clicked on your profile to see what your age was, but very little info was there. Am curious because you obviously have been around the metaphysical/quantum block a few times.
Quote Instead of using the word time I myself prefer moment or incidence. Past present and future are the moment or co-incidences.Very insightful play on words. And your example of the goldfish in the tank is exquisite. Very few people can talk in circles and say so much.
Thanks for your post.
Thelou
#13 · Jan 27, 2005, 03:06 · Ybom
As for what to do to find this magic 'elevator' of time, how do we know that when we find it that it can't do more for us as well? What happens if we take this elevator and move it sideways too? I mean once we get to that point it seems we're no longer truly operating something similar to an elevator. There is more potential I would think!
#14 · Jan 27, 2005, 22:01 · Van-Stolin
#15 · Jan 28, 2005, 03:22 · Legend
). Of course it isn't really a description since it uses metaphors to illustrate it, but we all know that that's pretty much the only way to talk about things which are brings are purely not designed to understand. I also like the spiral since there's the concept of a merge point with that metaphor. Thanks,
Quote from: James S "and I've learned from a guide that time is actually a unified phenomenon.time is all one (the future/present/past always exists,and is always evolving)."
It seems you're not the only one who has been told this by a spirit! They obviously have a much better grasp on the concept of time than we do.
A good explanation I read about how to relate to time is firstly, dont think of it as linear, esp. not in a horizontal direction, but rather vertical, kind of like an office building of infinite height, with an infinite number of floors. All events in time exist at once. We then just perceive events from one floor of that building.
Being able to look into past or future isn't a matter of moving forward or backward in time, but learning where the elevator is, and moving up and down to different floors, because we are not looking at different directions in time, we are just looking at different "nows".
It can also be said that time does not move, we move through it.
I could think about it some more, but if I do, my brain might try to implode!
Kind regards,
James.
#16 · Jan 28, 2005, 08:08 · Mystic Cloud
#17 · Feb 10, 2005, 10:41 · BirdManKalki
When were having fun were not consciously thinking about anything other then the moment, were flowing, this means that the individual mind decodes light and thought at its full potential.
Self-Praise, Hear It! (=Mercury=Messenger=Of=The=Gods=)
Queen- One Vision
Queen- A Kinda Magic
Taken from Live Magic
#18 · Mar 19, 2005, 13:03 · Gwathren
Quote from: Mystic Cloud Time is defined by the speed of light 'constant'.Regarding light:
In my country's schools light is advised to be like this:
Light is light.
I think the only way that time is fully defined would be to say:
Time is time.
Gwathren
#19 · Mar 19, 2005, 15:13 · beavis
#20 · Mar 19, 2005, 15:52 · Ybom
Do you think we're trying to define time with a scientific outlook or a human mind outlook?
Birdmankalki,
I wish you hadn't used the cliche that time doesn't exist. Using the 'soandso doesn't exist' idea, to prove a point that soandso exists, tends to create frustration rather than eliminate it.
Gwathren,
Oversimplification is oversimplification.
#21 · Mar 19, 2005, 16:35 · beavis
you should never point at something and say it doesnt exist
because what are you pointing at?
Even if its a cartoon on a screen, its still made of real photons.
#22 · Mar 20, 2005, 05:57 · Gwathren
Quote from: Ybom Gwathren,the reason why light is called just light, is that there is no state for light. Light has it's own state (there are two states combined in it).
Oversimplification is oversimplification.
When I say time is time, then I mean that there is no adequate explanation to it.
But since there is no absolute time.. I don't know what are we really talking about here? Time is smth we can only understand by thinking about it as humans. How is time definable at all? Does time exist in other galaxies? And can it exist when there is noone there to witness it passing by?
#23 · Mar 20, 2005, 07:16 · Ybom
I know for sure that time isn't defined by the speed of light costant, since there was an article I read last year in Popular Science that stated the speed of light is slowing down. If light isn't traveling at a constant speed anymore, then this idea is basically false now. The definition of time includes this in my mind. And if my mind has the capacity to feel and know that, then Quantum Mechanics states that I am having an effect on it to be true.
Conclusion, time is something you yourself know. Just define it for yourself and share with us what you think it is. For instance for me, time is the force that causes me to do anything and not be 'on pause' (where's that rewind button again?). I still see it as a string, but my mind is starting to like the elevator idea. This basically means that I'm saying screw the science and bring on the visualization, and there's the current definition of time from my box. Take it or leave it.
#24 · Mar 20, 2005, 12:10 · Gwathren
If there is a spoon there might be time.
If there is a spoon then there might not be time.
#25 · Mar 20, 2005, 12:22 · beavis
#26 · Mar 21, 2005, 04:44 · Gwathren
#27 · Mar 22, 2005, 21:44 · Syke
Heres a few things i jotted down in my journal.
Thoughts On Time
East/West = Now/Then:
Just like east and west time continues... You can travel west forever without an actual destination.
However, it cant be like north/south cause they are destinations. So time is a direction, not a destination.
Perception:
When you're having fun and a good time thirty minutes could seem like five minutes. If you're bored and uncomfortable thirty minutes could seem like two hours. So why cant you stop time all together or speed it up at will using ur perception of it.
But if you could control your perception then you could change the entire world in your own eyes.
What If Everything Stopped?:
What if the world stopped turning so there was no day and night, all clocks stopped and no one paid attention to time, would it still exist?
Or if the world stopping is too much to think about try this. If you were stuck in a room with no windows, no clocks, no calenders... would time still exist for you?
#28 · Mar 22, 2005, 22:14 · MisterJingo
Quote from: SykeTime would still exist. Thoughts require some form of passage to measure one from another, the heart still beats, and bodily processes and cycles would continue. For these actions to occur in a percievible sequence would be evidence that 'time' still existed for the observer.
What If Everything Stopped?:
What if the world stopped turning so there was no day and night, all clocks stopped and no one paid attention to time, would it still exist?
Or if the world stopping is too much to think about try this. If you were stuck in a room with no windows, no clocks, no calenders... would time still exist for you?
If we take no time to mean stasis, the act of observing also implies some passage of time (or state to state action which is occuring.)