#0 · Jul 09, 2002, 23:07 · Spencer

Fellow Travelers,

Do sleeping positions effect OBEs?  When ever I roll over on to my back while I am a sleep, I have night mares. If I try to fall asleep while on my back, my brain will not turn it'self off to let me sleep.  I always sleep on my stomach or on my side.  Because I have problems sleeping on my back, I wonder if this makes it difficult to project while in trance or just to project in general?  Any ideas?

#1 · Jul 10, 2002, 01:32 · Frank

For me it makes no difference.

Though at first I found if a habitual sleeping-postion was adopted there was a strong urge to fall asleep rather than practice obe'ing. But now it makes absolutely no difference how my physical body is lying, provided it is reasonably comfortable.

Yours,
Frank

#2 · Jul 10, 2002, 01:53 · Spencer

Frank,
Even though you are laying down in a comfortable position, after a period of time do you get that antsy feeling to change positions?

#3 · Jul 10, 2002, 03:12 · Frank

Yes, sometimes.

When I first started seriously practising conscious-exit obe I'd have to lay on my back as, if I lay on my side (habitual sleeping position) I'd simply fall asleep. However, after a while of laying on my back, I'd feel a strong urge to turn on my side. The longer I'd remain on my back, the greater the urge to roll on my side would become: which would eventually scupper any projection attempt.

So this was more than a little frustrating, at first. However, after a while, my mind got used to the idea of laying on my back hence the urge to roll over became less and less. As I say, now it hardly matters.

Yours,
Frank

#4 · Jul 10, 2002, 13:13 · DG

Thanks, Frank, for you comments.

I am exactly in this stage now: I can't lay for more then 10 - 15 min. on  the back. It becomes terribly uncomfortable. Then usually I turn to my side and fall asleep. I thought it's only my problem. Now I can see the light in the tunnel, e.a. I know it's possible to overcome it, as you did.

Regards,
DG.

#5 · Jul 10, 2002, 18:12 · Spencer

Dear Frank,
Thanks for the advice.  It have given me something to look forward to.  How long did it take you to overcome the antsyness of laying on your back?

You have given me new hope.

#6 · Jul 11, 2002, 00:09 · Frank

It took me about 2 months before I could lay comfortably on my back for an extended period (1 to 2 hours).

Yours,
Frank

#7 · Jul 11, 2002, 00:24 · TheCountess

Oh!  I remember that urge to roll over on my side.  Isn't that cumbersome?  Very frustrating at times.  I couldn't help but to roll over ... but ... one thing that helped is placing a part of my body at a strange angle.  I'd dangle my foot or my arm over the side of the bed (while laying in my side).  I still got to roll over, but putting another part of my body out of place kept me awake enough to stay in tune with my determination.

#8 · Jul 11, 2002, 00:51 · RandomName

HAHAHA Quite interesting. I could NEVER sleep on my back for the LONGEST time. Want to know the easiest way to learn to sleep on your back? Go jump out in front of a car!(Just a joke,don't actually do it) because you will wind up in the hospital. Hospital beds have a nasty effect to where you can ONLY sleep on your back, regardless of how you alter the backpeice. i had my appendix removed after some terrible side pains and when i awoke in my hospital bed, i couldn't sleep for 2 days. Not joking. I went for a full 48 hours without sleep. i finally fell asleep in that cursid bed and now I can fall asleep on my back with no urge to roll over at all. I still take about 30+ minutes to fall asleep though.. Thats why attempting OBE is best on my back.

-Andrew(aka Psi)